Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't see how Iran killing SA's ambassador to the US could end up hurting relations between SA and the US.
And the rest is 2001 to the present day.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't see how Iran killing SA's ambassador to the US could end up hurting relations between SA and the US.
I think Iran's goal was not to be caught as the perpetrator
in that case, it looks like either a random attack (maybe even ultra-nationalist right wing groups) or a Mexican cartel hit
I sort of agree with you, but what do you think their motive was then? and why use the Zetas when Iran has been pretty brazen about this stuff in the past?
very interesting, especially given:
Last year, the FBI subjected 19-year-old Somali-American Mohamed Osman Mohamud to months of encouragement, support and money and convinced him to detonate a bomb at a crowded Christmas event in Portland, Oregon, only to arrest him at the last moment and then issue a Press Release boasting of its success. In late 2009, the FBI persuaded and enabled Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, a 19-year old Jordanian citizen, to place a fake bomb at a Dallas skyscraper and separately convinced Farooque Ahmed, a 34-year-old naturalized American citizen born in Pakistan, to bomb the Washington Metro. And now, the FBI has yet again saved us all from its own Terrorist plot by arresting 26-year-old American citizen Rezwan Ferdaus after having spent months providing him with the plans and materials to attack the Pentagon, American troops in Iraq, and possibly the Capitol Building using “remote-controlled” model airplanes carrying explosives.None of these cases entail the FBI’s learning of an actual plot and then infiltrating it to stop it. They all involve the FBI’s purposely seeking out Muslims (typically young and impressionable ones) whom they think harbor animosity toward the U.S. and who therefore can be induced to launch an attack despite having never taken even a single step toward doing so before the FBI targeted them.
this will be the last of my spam....
it seems like a logical argument could be made for this being a group of "rogue" agents, especially if the drug trafficking angle plays out
I'll say it a third time, man, reminds me sooooo much of Oliver North fighting against the Sandanistras
Ok, let's ignore Zeal's moronic antisemitism for a second and examine this premise.
1. Conservatives spread the US military thin through global bases and police actions.
2. Conservatives and libertarians completely dismantle manufacturing, and therefore strategic defense industries in the United States, making a ground war on US territory virtually impossible to win.
3. Conservatives and libertarians weaken the military through outsourcing labor, allowing for war profiteering, and employing mercenaries with no loyalty to the US.
4. Conservatives overstrech the military in two massive unfunded wars.
5. Libertarians destroy the US economy and let infrastructure and transportation systems.
6. Based on a foiled terrorist plot, conservatives want to start 2 additional wars, one of which may involve a ground war across the US border.
Yeah, that's smart, let's take an overstretched military dependent on criminals and foreign nations for its supplies into 4 simultaneous wars across multiple fronts, including one across the US border.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Ok, let's ignore Zeal's moronic antisemitism for a second and examine this premise.
I honestly don't think he's being antisematic. He's more being "antimoronic" because of how moronic he thinks American politics are concerning Israel.
He's pretty much right, by the way. We need an overhaul that isn't so zionistic.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
1. Conservatives spread the US military thin through global bases and police actions.
2. Conservatives and libertarians completely dismantle manufacturing, and therefore strategic defense industries in the United States, making a ground war on US territory virtually impossible to win.
3. Conservatives and libertarians weaken the military through outsourcing labor, allowing for war profiteering, and employing mercenaries with no loyalty to the US.
4. Conservatives overstrech the military in two massive unfunded wars.
5. Libertarians destroy the US economy and let infrastructure and transportation systems.
6. Based on a foiled terrorist plot, conservatives want to start 2 additional wars, one of which may involve a ground war across the US border.Yeah, that's smart, let's take an overstretched military dependent on criminals and foreign nations for its supplies into 4 simultaneous wars across multiple fronts, including one across the US border.
1. I want to bring most of them back. What about you?
2. This is not a correct comment.
3. Conservatives? Sometimes. Libertarians? Not a chance. War profiteering? Yup. Happens. Disloyal mercanaries? Not a chance: they are among the most patriotic Americans you can find. TOO patriotic, even.
4. Agreed.
5. Incorrect: no libetarians exist in any sensible fashion in the government. It's a fringe political group with little to no pull in D.C. Liberals and conservatives are both resopnsible for what you name here, but not so much "transportation". That's almost irrelevant.
6. They do? Which two additional wars?
Do your conclusion, I agree: stupid idea. We should stop this war mongering. But I think you're really far off on your supporting ideas for why that idea is stupid.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Ok, let's ignore Zeal's moronic antisemitism for a second and examine this premise.
1. Conservatives spread the US military thin through global bases and police actions.
2. Conservatives and libertarians completely dismantle manufacturing, and therefore strategic defense industries in the United States, making a ground war on US territory virtually impossible to win.
3. Conservatives and libertarians weaken the military through outsourcing labor, allowing for war profiteering, and employing mercenaries with no loyalty to the US.
4. Conservatives overstrech the military in two massive unfunded wars.
5. Libertarians destroy the US economy and let infrastructure and transportation systems.
6. Based on a foiled terrorist plot, conservatives want to start 2 additional wars, one of which may involve a ground war across the US border.Yeah, that's smart, let's take an overstretched military dependent on criminals and foreign nations for its supplies into 4 simultaneous wars across multiple fronts, including one across the US border.
He's blaming conservatives for systematic bipartisan failures over the past 60 years!
Remember: conservatives wanted to keep America out of WWII. Keep playing the fiddle for your masters, though.
Assassinations in foreign countries by foreign governments is not a new concept. We and the Soviet Union during the Cold War are guilty of that crime. It was highly prevalant in Africa and the Middle East. I'm a conservative/republican and I don't believe we need to use the military option on Iran. The attack was foiled so no act of war was comitted.
I have to admit using a Drug Cartel hit squad is a novel concept. Draw attention away from the real culprits - real Assassins Creed type.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Be critical of Israel controlling American foreign policy; get called an anti-Semite. You're Jewish, aren't you? Yes, I think I recall you mentioning it before. Did you know that early Jews were allowed as bankers because Christians considered usury a sin?
Originally posted by inimalist
that's a rather heavy cudgel to swing so liberally, no?
I present to you some tasty Nihilo quotes from pages 3 through 5 of the 2012 Republican Debate thread as evidence that he's rabid, Jew hater-
TL;DR, I'm anti-Semitic for good reasons and dominionism is bloo-bloo from whiny liberals. Tell me that I'm transphobic and I have male privilege, please.
Nah, Stormfront is goony and "hurrr we need a dictator that will kill everyone who isn't a fat sack of trailer crap" and "I AM THE MASTER RACE" bullshit. I just don't like Jews because of the values they espouse.
Greed, nepotism, socialism, Zionism, and the destructive liberalization of society. Generally, whenever you see a prominent Jew in society, he's going to be promoting something deleterious. Karl Marx and Ayn Rand are two sides of the same circumcised coin.
That and the fact that he refers to me as having "masters". Don't get get me wrong, I agree that war with Iran and a front in Mexico is stupid, I just think being an antisemite or any other kind of religious, ethnic, race, gender, or sex orientation based bigot hinders your ability to think rationally and completely devalues your life as a human being. That's all.
That as maybe, DJ, but Zeal wasn't going over the line in this thread as of yet, so no need to make more trouble of it.
Zeal knows he has to watch his comments, and talking of which- I don't think there is any relevance to whether DJ is Jewish or not, so that sort of comment should be avoided in future.