When Juggernaut became Kuurth he got a bit of a power stack, but it appears the Kuurth amp is greater than the Juggernaut amp in terms of strength/durability (as shown when Colossus as Juggernaut attacked), but with the caveat that being the Juggernaut and having the "unstoppable momentum" schtick went to Colossus and was removed from Kuurth/Cain. If Cain still had any of Cytorrak's power he wouldn't have been pushed backwards by Colossus, so yes, if the Kuurth enchantment is removed/blocked he'd be just plain Cain Marko now since Piotr is now Juggernaut.
As far as being weakened, I don't think Kuurth had the Serpent granted strength on top of the Cytorrak granted strength, I think the Serpent granted strength, which was to a greater degree, was Kuurth's strength level, buffed by the Cytorrak granted unstoppable momentum spell. When the Cytorrak power was removed he was still stronger than a Cytorrak avatar, he simply didn't have the unstoppable momentum enchantment and was forced backwards by irresistable force.
Basically, when all is said and done, Apocalypse grants better amps than Cytorrak or the Serpent because he made Hulk capable of overcoming the unstoppable enchantment of Cytorrak, which a Serpent empowered character couldn't even overcome.
Apocalypse>Serpent and Cytorrak.
So it is written, so it shall be!!! 😛
Originally posted by MF DELPH
When Juggernaut became Kuurth he got a bit of a power stack, but it appears the Kuurth amp is greater than the Juggernaut amp in terms of strength/durability (as shown when Colossus as Juggernaut attacked), but with the caveat that being the Juggernaut and having the "unstoppable momentum" schtick went to Colossus and was removed from Kuurth/Cain. If Cain still had any of Cytorrak's power he wouldn't have been pushed backwards by Colossus, so yes, if the Kuurth enchantment is removed/blocked he'd be just plain Cain Marko now since Piotr is now Juggernaut.As far as being weakened, I don't think Kuurth had the Serpent granted strength on top of the Cytorrak granted strength, I think the Serpent granted strength, which was to a greater degree, was Kuurth's strength level, buffed by the Cytorrak granted unstoppable momentum spell. When the Cytorrak power was removed he was still stronger than a Cytorrak avatar, he simply didn't have the unstoppable momentum enchantment and was forced backwards by irresistable force.
Basically, when all is said and done, Apocalypse grants better amps than Cytorrak or the Serpent because he made Hulk capable of overcoming the unstoppable enchantment of Cytorrak, which a Serpent empowered character couldn't even overcome.
Apocalypse>Serpent and Cytorrak.
So it is written, so it shall be!!! 😛
Yea, the Serpent seems to noticeably augment any existing powers to varying degrees (Juggernaut's unstoppable enchantment, Attuma's control over water, Grey Gargoyles stone stare etc.) but only grants a standard power set: Herald level physical stats, teleportation, energy related attacks, flight but that's all. It's a shame the writers aren't more creative.
Did the Celestial tech amp Hulk or simply allow him to channel the power he was connected to? IIRC, Hulk was the nexus for the energy from the Heroes Reborn Universe or something similar. It's been a while though.
Apocalypse altered him to be able to channel the power of two universes (Heroes Reborn and the Gamma-verse that powers him, whatever that actually is) simultaneously, gave him cellestial armor, an energy sword, an energy whip, and free premium channels for 12 months. All for $59.99 a month.
That's a much better package deal.
Apocalypse also said that even with this augment he was still more powerful than Hulk.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Apocalypse altered him to be able to channel the power of two universes (Heroes Reborn and the Gamma-verse that powers him, whatever that actually is) simultaneously, gave him cellestial armor, an energy sword, an energy whip, and free premium channels for 12 months. All for $59.99 a month.That's a much better package deal.
Apocalypse also said that even with this augment he was still more powerful than Hulk.
Cool, so the Celestial tech didn't provide most of the power but simply helped him better access the energy he was already connected to.
Haha, Apocalypse is on some next tips.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
@ cogito, you think Superman's durability > any form or adamantium? (uru that iffy but adamantium is very different). If so do you think supes can crush logans skull the way hulk crushed the Uru hammer?
I think adamantium and Uru have been broken, shattered, or otherwise fragged several times before.
While Superman has been cut and bruised before, off the top of my head I can only think of one time when he's even had a bone broken, let alone disintegrated (and, of course, it was HP DD who did that).
Originally posted by Cogito
I think adamantium and Uru have been broken, shattered, or otherwise fragged several times before.While Superman has been cut and bruised before, off the top of my head I can only think of one time when he's even had a bone broken, let alone disintegrated (and, of course, it was HP DD who did that).
Primary Adamantium and enchanted Uru rarely get broken. It also takes significant force. Superman is far easier to damage anything resembling an average.
Off the top of my head, Zod broke Superman's jaw with that flying punch.
i saw zero evidence to suggest that heralds can muster enough physical damage to come close to threatening dd. without invulnerability kurrth wouldn't last. hard to know how long colossus could go on but he'd be obliterated unless he's actually had a significant strength increase. nul would be the last one standing but in the end i'll still take dd. be interesting to see what he'd evolve to deal with the threat.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Same could be said about Nul here.And I don't think current Kuurth or Colossanaut get enough credit. We've only seen how they match against each other. For all the crap Piotr gets for having his bones broken and admitting he's weaker and slower, dude seemed perfectly fine by the time he stopped.
that's true about nul, which is why i said he'd be last imo and the most difficult. i guess i see that thor took out 2 of them though and i'd place dd well above thor. i certainly don't see colossus being a deal breaker here (and it's unclear if he's really gotten an upgrade in strength) so imo dd would take them. given all his feats as a whole, i don't see nul matching dd. i believe dd is high trans. nul is high herald. least imo.