The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. How do you differentiate?

It's as if a friend told me, for example, that there's a spoon on my bed, you can't see it, but it's there, and friend number 2 comes along and tells me dude, there is no spoon on your bed because we dont' see it there, as a matter of fact, it does not exist on your bed.

I'm gonna go with friend number two.

and imo, one of the reason is, is that, to me, in generally every case, generally speaking, the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.

How would you differentiate, if you disagreed? Please explain.

The invisible still exist. The non-existent don't.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The invisible still exist. The non-existent don't.

Assuming he means "has none of the properties of things that exist" when he says "invisible" then there's no practical difference.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
It's as if a friend told me, for example, that there's a spoon on my bed, you can't see it, but it's there, and friend number 2 comes along and tells me dude, there is no spoon on your bed because we dont' see it there, as a matter of fact, it does not exist on your bed.

I'm gonna go with friend number two.

and imo, one of the reason is, is that, to me, in generally every case, generally speaking, the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.

How would you differentiate, if you disagreed? Please explain.

Just for fun I would go with number one I mean if you make believe that there is a spoon on your bed you will see it. 😎

It all feels the same in the dark.

😖hifty:

Apparently, I chose Column A when I should've posted in Column B.

Originally posted by Mindship
Isn't this semantics? Obviously, the difference is: the Undetectable exists on some level (we just can't "see" it), while the Nonexistent doesn't exist at all (hence, there's nothing to "see"😉.

If we want to move this into a more realistic venue, then how did we know the Undetectable entity exists in the first place? At some point, on some level, it had to register in human awareness. Otherwise, how would we know to even ask about it? Heck, at the very least, even "God" showed up in writing to get the ball rolling.

Originally posted by Digi
It all feels the same in the dark.

😖hifty:

Now that is creepy! 🙁 😆

well since we don't see other demintions, there could many things around that we don'[ see. Heck there could be a family eating on your bed.
😑

No wonder I found a bunch of crumbs on my bed the other night! 😉

Originally posted by Digi
It all feels the same in the dark.

😖hifty:

Not sure I can agree with that.

Gravity is invisable, yet we know it's there.

Sorry, but I just got this new lap top and I can't find the "spell Check" lol 😒

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Gravity is invisable, yet we know it's there.

Gravity is not "invisible" in the sense that we cannot detect it, which is almost certainly what he means.

But at one time we couldn't. It was unexplainable just like other things are now.

Invisible just means not able to be seen, so there's no reason why you wouldn't still be able to hear, feel, smell, or taste the object in question if it was just invisible. By definition, you wouldn't be able to sense something non-existent. So, while invisible and non-existent do "look" alike, they sound, smell, feel, and taste very different. That's how I differentiate.
BANG!
problem solved.
😄

Originally posted by Deja~vu
But at one time we couldn't. It was unexplainable just like other things are now.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
But at one time we couldn't.

When did gravity not have observable effects?

When people didn't understand? They knew something was causing the effect, but didn't know what it was. Maybe they thought it was a special god. lol. The god that makes things fall down.

but they could see the effect

gravity was still observable even though we didn't have a name for it. It wasn't as though we only experienced gravity after we named it

Originally posted by inimalist
but they could see the effect

gravity was still observable even though we didn't have a name for it. It wasn't as though we only experienced gravity after we named it

such as?