Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Despite how jobber they are, I seriously doubt that they would have been beaten by Prime; Prime wasn't Skyfather level. He couldn't even wrestle out of one Guardian's grasp. And he lost.
They knew what time it was. That's why he self destructed. The Guardian used a distraction as a means to be able to hold Prime. Nothing is shown to suggest that a Guardian can downright outmuscle him in any way shape or form barring some type of distraction.
Originally posted by Sundipped... so Prime isn't trying to escape from his grasp? He's too buys staring at the bright lights? Not sure I buy that.
They knew what time it was. That's why he self destructed. The Guardian used a distraction as a means to be able to hold Prime. Nothing is shown to suggest that a Guardian can downright outmuscle him in any way shape or form barring some type of distraction.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's a loss though. Prime couldn't break free from one Guardian and he was terrified.
He didn't know what was happening. He was sort of like a "deer caught in the headlights" so to speak.
If you had to pick a loser would you choose someone who was:
A. Bfr'ed
or
B. Completely erased from existence?
Prime freaked out when the Guardian started glowing. If he could have escaped, he would have.
The sad thing is that Prime doesn't need excuses to be a legitimate threat to any herald or slightly above, but everything that doesn't support him as some "Pre-Crisis Kryptonian with insane feats" is immediately disregarded.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAt the time Guardians didn't have their jobber aura on full blast and look at the amp it gave prime... Giving anyone a boost to be able to toe to toe with Monarch is no joke. At the time of that fight I'd put all the guardians safely at trans level with a few exceptions like Ganthet being somewhere in the low-mid skyfather range.
Prime freaked out when the Guardian started glowing. If he could have escaped, he would have.The sad thing is that Prime doesn't need excuses to be a legitimate threat to any herald or slightly above, but everything that doesn't support him as some "Pre-Crisis Kryptonian with insane feats" is immediately disregarded.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Just wondering, but what exactly do you think kept Prime from breaking away, Jake?
Personally, I feel the energy warping/"disintegration" effect of the Guardians' sacrificial detonation kept Prime in check. Probably one of the few redeeming moments of the Guardians outside of Ganthet.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally, I feel the energy warping/"disintegration" effect of the Guardians' sacrificial detonation kept Prime in check. Probably one of the few redeeming moments of the Guardians outside of Ganthet.
Originally posted by SundippedThe guardian fully intended to sacrifice himself so he accomplished his goal. One guardian was all it took to best him.
He didn't know what was happening. He was sort of like a "deer caught in the headlights" so to speak.If you had to pick a loser would you choose someone who was:
A. Bfr'ed
or
B. Completely erased from existence?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Unfortunately, Prime is overly romanticized on forums. Of course he has some great feats under his belt such as moving planets or tanking Monarch's final blast, but he's also been showed to be harmed by far, far, less and more often. Really, Prime is a Trans-Leveler, one who doesn't hold back at all. And even so, people like Superboy, Martian Manhunter, and, of course, Superman can physically damage him.
Thing is the guy was just ripping through an army of GL's.. Thats just tooo big a feat which is why people do chalk him getting hurt by Superboy as PIS. I mean can Superboy (Kon) even defeat 1 GL?? Probably an average one with difficulty.
Id chalk it down to SBP just being more vulnerable to attacks by Kryptonians. Im not sure if MM has actually physically harmed SBP. He used his Intangibility and shapeshifting to throw him around, but actually hurt/damage him?? I dnt remember that.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
People are acting like Prime's going to laugh off Hulk's punches, which is, in of itself laughable. Savage Hulk's blows would hurt Prime, though not grievously, imo. Current Hulk's blows would hurt him something else.
But surely you can see why people might think that.. He laughed off Black Adam's blows! And the best a whole army of GL's could do was slow him down, while he murdered them one by one!
^Good points
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thing is the guy was just ripping through an army of GL's.. Thats just tooo big a feat which is why people do chalk him getting hurt by Superboy as PIS. I mean can Superboy (Kon) even defeat 1 GL?? Probably an average one with difficulty.And the best a whole army of GL's could do was slow him down, while he murdered them one by one!
Those GLs were using excessive force as well. Prime was no-selling multiple blasts at once not to mention Guy and Hal were there and Prime had them petrified.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thing is the guy was just ripping through an army of GL's.. Thats just tooo big a feat which is why people do chalk him getting hurt by Superboy as PIS. I mean can Superboy (Kon) even defeat 1 GL?? Probably an average one with difficulty.Id chalk it down to SBP just being more vulnerable to attacks by Kryptonians. Im not sure if MM has actually physically harmed SBP. He used his Intangibility and shapeshifting to throw him around, but actually hurt/damage him?? I dnt remember that.
But surely you can see why people might think that.. He laughed off Black Adam's blows! And the best a whole army of GL's could do was slow him down, while he murdered them one by one!
it's all these inconsistencies that make him so tough on the forum. clearly imo, he was intended to be considerably above heralds. did he always meet that standard? no. how high he is above herald depends strictly upon how much faith you put in what he was intended to be, and what you are willing to consider PIS, or, conversely, high showings from others. there is also the fact that MOST high heralds have trans level feats under their belts so it's not hard to see why a high herald could hurt prime or give him a bit of a fight. the connor thing is a bit harder to explain in lieu of his feats....