Snape, Voldemort, Dumbledore vs Mordor

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Yes, he did save the day. He led the defense of the city, and without his command, the Gondorian soldiers would have "fled from their posts" as Denethor ordered and all perished without a fight. The city would have been unprotected, and the Orcs would have steamrolled through Minas Tirith. Through his efforts, the city held through the night till the arrival of Rohirrim cavalry (whose arrival he facilitated).

Basically, there would have been no men for Aragorn to distract Sauron and draw out his forces for Frodo and Sam to sneakily climb up Mount Doom if it wasn't for Gandalf.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were screwed. gandalf doesn't get all the credit an entire army held them back. The day wasn't saved until the ring was destroyed. I kinda am seeing your logic go out the window when Gandalf is involved. You want to assign him all the glory when he didn't even destroy the ring which was the entire purpose of the quest. Gandalf himself didn't trust himself with the ring. The point was a little tiny Hobbit had the most arduous task of them all. That's what it made it epic. In combat he was nothing but still had the biggest burden. If you can't admit that then you are lost.

No shit, Sherlock. Frodo was the primary protagonist. The Ring-bearer. That doesn't mean "Gandalf didn't save the day. If having your staff broken is saving the day then you might be onto something."

What you said is the dumbest thing ever. The movies and book both show the critical role Gandalf played in rallying the Men of the West against Sauron's forces. And because of his efforts, Aragorn was able to have the manpower to provide the distraction necessary for Frodo to complete his task.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
No shit, Sherlock. Frodo was the primary protagonist. The Ring-bearer. That doesn't mean "Gandalf didn't save the day. If having your staff broken is saving the day then you might be onto something."

What you said is the dumbest thing ever. The movies and book both show the critical role Gandalf played in rallying the Men of the West against Sauron's forces. And because of his efforts, Aragorn was able to have the manpower to provide the distraction necessary for Frodo to complete his task.

You calling what I say stupid while exaggerating Gandalf's role to overshadow the destruction of the ring WHICH IS WHAT SAVED THE DAY. It's ok I get it that you really like Gandalf.

Solution: Ban LOTR / HP

Problem Solved.

I once proposed a similar solution when it came to murder.

Humans can be killed. Solution: Ban death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, since he wasn't the main protagonist it means exactly that. Gandalf didn't save the day he was instrumental just like the other members of the fellowship but didn't save the day.

You calling what I say stupid while exaggerating Gandalf's role to overshadow the destruction of the ring WHICH IS WHAT SAVED THE DAY. It's ok I get it that you really like Gandalf.

Whatever, if you want to irrationally think Gandalf didn't do anything except get his staff broken (which doesn't even happen in the book -.-), go ahead.

No, I don't "really like Gandalf." I like Faramir, Gimli, and the Witch-King more than the White Wizard. But does that mean I don't acknowledge the Istari's powers or his fundamental role in the One Ring's destruction? NO!

Originally posted by quanchi112
And I will say again the day was saved when the ring was destroyed which Gandalf himself sent another in his stead because the ring would have corrupted him.

LoL, you need to watch the films, starting to think you haven't and all your LoTR knowledge comes from youtube snippets.

Stop embarrassing yourself, the last few responses between you and Korto are pathetically sad; I'm starting to have sympathy for you.

Originally posted by Placidity
Solution: Ban LOTR / HP

Problem Solved.

This will probably happen.

I wonder how long Voldemort Vs. Gandalf the White will become before the thread is closed or retired to the annals of MVF history.

Well the Force vs Magic thread was 70+ pages long before it got closed. The current Gandalf vs Voldemort thread is 22 pages long, so quite a while.

And here we have none of the pure Rage that only RJ could conjure.

Its his gift. His cutie mark would be screaming. 😍

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Whatever, if you want to irrationally think Gandalf didn't do anything except get his staff broken (which doesn't even happen in the book -.-), go ahead.

No, I don't "really like Gandalf." I like Faramir, Gimli, and the Witch-King more than the White Wizard. But does that mean I don't acknowledge the Istari's powers or his fundamental role in the One Ring's destruction? NO!

Game. Set. Match.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, you need to watch the films, starting to think you haven't and all your LoTR knowledge comes from youtube snippets.

Stop embarrassing yourself, the last few responses between you and Korto are pathetically sad; I'm starting to have sympathy for you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well the Force vs Magic thread was 70+ pages long before it got closed. The current Gandalf vs Voldemort thread is 22 pages long, so quite a while.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Despite disagreeing I have no idea why people get so wrked up and want active threads closed.

People's minds are fun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say he didn't contribute anything. Quit putting words in my mouth. Gandalf did help but ultimately didn't save the day. You want this to be black and white which it isn't. Gandalf was a big contributer but the day was only saved when the ring was destroyed.

Game. Set. Match. I'm right and you both are wrong. You aren't even really even trying just cheerleading. People need to relax as well. Despite disagreeing I have no idea why people get so wrked up and want active threads closed.

Is this not what you said:

"Gandalf didn't save the day. If having your staff broken is saving the day then you might be onto something."

As I explained in my previous posts, if were not Gandalf's role in rallying the Men of the West, Frodo and Sam wouldn't have had the open route to Mt. Doom to destroy the Ring.

The White Wizard played an integral role in the Ring's destruction. If that's what you mean by "he helped out," then sure, you aren't wrong.

And hopefully the V vs. G thread lasts!

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Is this not what you said:

"Gandalf didn't save the day. If having your staff broken is saving the day then you might be onto something."

As I explained in my previous posts, if were not Gandalf's role in rallying the Men of the West, Frodo and Sam wouldn't have had the open route to Mt. Doom to destroy the Ring.

The White Wizard played an integral role in the Ring's destruction. If that's what you mean by "he helped out," then sure, you aren't wrong.

And hopefully the V vs. G thread lasts!

It will last as long as no one sissies up and starts reporting each other. I haven't reported anyone in years.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Singling out one sarcastic respone to the glory of Gandalf wasn't my point. He was pivotal but ultimately didn't end the crisis.

It will last as long as no one sissies up and starts reporting each other. I haven't reported anyone in years.

He was pivotal but ultimately didn't end the crisis.

Agreed! 🙂

Aye, I won't be reporting anyone. If I have a problem with someone, I'd either ignore them or discuss it with them privately.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
He was pivotal but ultimately didn't end the crisis.

Agreed! 🙂

Aye, I won't be reporting anyone. If I have a problem with someone, I'd either ignore them or discuss it with them privately.

The only reason I took potshots at Gandalf is because of robtard's potshots against Voldemort. Nobody bad mouths the Dark Lord and gets away with it.

Reporting people isn't in my dna anymore. I resolve it like a man in my threads. If someone flames me it really doesn't phase me. It's just a heated debate.