Originally posted by Stoic
Sorry for taking so long to answer. The reason that I asked, is that if at base Thor isn't 100x stronger than Wendigo, he would not be on par with WB Hulk while holding back on Earth. Do the math.10x Thor would have to equal 1000x Wendigo, in order to even begin to compete, according to on panel citation.
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That's blatantly obvious hyperbole. 😬 Cmon Stoic.
The x1000 thing could def be hyperbole , but given the circumstances surrounding the amp (wishing well) and the fact that wendigo and bi beast grew to the size of godzillaa ( which makes the 1000 times number conceivable) we know that the amp even if not exactly 1000 times was comparably enormous.
The pre-worldbreaker greenscar that wrecked those two guys and armcheddon would beat wm Thor let alone dark dimension world breaker.
Originally posted by Naija boy👆 damn Naija you done it again!
The x1000 thing could def be hyperbole , but given the circumstances surrounding the amp (wishing well) and the fact that wendigo and bi beast grew to the size of godzillaa ( which makes the 1000 times number conceivable) we know that the amp even if not exactly 1000 times was comparably enormous.The pre-worldbreaker greenscar that wrecked those two guys and armcheddon would beat wm Thor let alone dark dimension world breaker.
Originally posted by Naija boy
The x1000 thing could def be hyperbole , but given the circumstances surrounding the amp (wishing well) and the fact that wendigo and bi beast grew to the size of godzillaa ( which makes the 1000 times number conceivable) we know that the amp even if not exactly 1000 times was comparably enormous.The pre-worldbreaker greenscar that wrecked those two guys and armcheddon would beat wm Thor let alone dark dimension world breaker.
It definitely is. There's no disputing the amp do to the size increase, but as far as a literal 1000X amp, that's pretty ridiculous. Size only translates to strength so much anyway.
There is no way of proving a 1000x amp exactly but the size of the number in and of itself does not qualify the statement as hyperbole particularly because we see a gargantuan size increase to go with it. Bigger people are not always stronger than smaller people in comics but a size increase in a character does necessitate increased musculature, bone density etc. And we have seen what that such things can indeed lead to exponential strength increases even exceeding 1000x... I. E giant man. So as I said it's not inconceivable.
Originally posted by Damborgson
It definitely is. There's no disputing the amp do to the size increase, but as far as a literal 1000X amp, that's pretty ridiculous. Size only translates to strength so much anyway.
The thing here is that it was written on panel, and thus we need to respect what was written. If it somehow stated in a book that Thor destroyed an opponent that was 1000x greater than they were previously, we would have to go by what was written. Mangog must be total hyperbole, even though book after book, appearance after appearance states that he has the strength of a billion beings.
This is comics man, anything stated in them is possible, simply because none of this mess is possible in reality, (our reality that is).
Originally posted by Naija boy
There is no way of proving a 1000x amp exactly but the size of the number in and of itself does not qualify the statement as hyperbole particularly because we see a gargantuan size increase to go with it. Bigger people are not always stronger than smaller people in comics but a size increase in a character does necessitate increased musculature, bone density etc. And we have seen what that such things can indeed lead to exponential strength increases even exceeding 1000x... I. E giant man. So as I said it's not inconceivable.
Gargantuan size still doesn't quantify it to that level though. Hulk got a similar size increase at the end of HOTM. Quite possibly bigger. If he were 1000X the strength he was it in the Dark Dimension...he wouldn't be able to stay on Earth. Let alone fight on it like he did. Writer inconsistency and intention can only be used so much in cases like these where the instances simply don't add up. It's the reason Thor didn't overpower the weight of 20 planets on his body despite it being clear that the intention was for him to do so.
Strength comes with size to a point, but it most certainly does not quantify directly like that as far as someone twice their size is now twice as strong. Couple that with no strength showing whatsoever that would suggest such an amp, and it's obvious hyperbole.
Originally posted by Stoic
The thing here is that it was written on panel, and thus we need to respect what was written. If it somehow stated in a book that Thor destroyed an opponent that was 1000x greater than they were previously, we would have to go by what was written. Mangog must be total hyperbole, even though book after book, appearance after appearance states that he has the strength of a billion beings.This is comics man, anything stated in them is possible, simply because none of this mess is possible in reality, (our reality that is).
No it doesn't. That's the point of hyperbole dude. Mangog can back up his showings though. Much better than Wendi and the Bisexual beast can.
Sure, I can get that. But here on the forums, it doesn't fly. Otherwise Thor has a 20+ planet feat where he's able to move under such weight, and in addition he's also overpowered his weight infinitely. Effectively putting him above any pure strength feat in Marvel. Or...it might need to be taken with a grain of salt 😛 The intention was definitely to give Thor some BA strength feats, and he did get them but instances where "OH SHIT HE'S A 1000 TIMES STRONGER THAN BEFORE!" are questionable.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Gargantuan size still doesn't quantify it to that level though. Hulk got a similar size increase at the end of HOTM. Quite possibly bigger. If he were 1000X the strength he was it in the Dark Dimension...he wouldn't be able to stay on Earth. Let alone fight on it like he did. Writer inconsistency and intention can only be used so much in cases like these where the instances simply don't add up. It's the reason Thor didn't overpower the weight of 20 planets on his body despite it being clear that the intention was for him to do so.Strength comes with size to a point, but it most certainly does not quantify directly like that as far as someone twice their size is now twice as strong. Couple that with no strength showing whatsoever that would suggest such an amp, and it's obvious hyperbole.
No it doesn't. That's the point of hyperbole dude. Mangog can back up his showings though. Much better than Wendi and the Bisexual beast can.
Sure, I can get that. But here on the forums, it doesn't fly. Otherwise Thor has a 20+ planet feat where he's able to move under such weight, and in addition he's also overpowered his weight infinitely. Effectively putting him above any pure strength feat in Marvel. Or...it might need to be taken with a grain of salt 😛 The intention was definitely to give Thor some BA strength feats, and he did get them but instances where "OH SHIT HE'S A 1000 TIMES STRONGER THAN BEFORE!" are questionable.
Because the citation took place on panel, if we were to bring this before a Judge in a court of law, he/she would rule in favor of what was stated on panel, and not what you believe it to be. Just saying.
Naija is right.
Originally posted by Stoic
Sorry for taking so long to answer. The reason that I asked, is that if at base Thor isn't 100x stronger than Wendigo, he would not be on par with WB Hulk while holding back on Earth. Do the math.10x Thor would have to equal 1000x Wendigo, in order to even begin to compete, according to on panel citation.
Read the first fight between Thor and Bi Beast. BB was stronger than Thor...IIRC, he overpowered Thor twice leading to Thor saying Bi Beast is as strong as Savage Hulk. This was Bi Beast outside of an amp. Wendigo, he's top tier strength wise as well and has proven this on multiples of occasions.
Originally posted by Stoic
Because the citation took place on panel, if we were to bring this before a Judge in a court of law, he/she would rule in favor of what was stated on panel, and not what you believe it to be. Just saying.Naija is right.
You're trying to escape logic by not addressing my points there Stoic. To be fair, I like your way of looking at things better. My boy would have quite a few more go to strength feats that way.
Depends on what part you're talking about.
Originally posted by carver9
Read the first fight between Thor and Bi Beast. BB was stronger than Thor...IIRC, he overpowered Thor twice leading to Thor saying Bi Beast is as strong as Savage Hulk. This was Bi Beast outside of an amp. Wendigo, he's top tier strength wise as well and has proven this on multiples of occasions.
Thor beat the shit out of Bi-Beast. One shot him once also iirc. He tossed him around a couple times, but never a direct overpowering that I remember. Feel free to post the scans to refresh my memory though.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Gargantuan size still doesn't quantify it to that level though. Hulk got a similar size increase at the end of HOTM. Quite possibly bigger. If he were 1000X the strength he was it in the Dark Dimension...he wouldn't be able to stay on Earth. Let alone fight on it like he did. Writer inconsistency and intention can only be used so much in cases like these where the instances simply don't add up. It's the reason Thor didn't overpower the weight of 20 planets on his body despite it being clear that the intention was for him to do so.Strength comes with size to a point, but it most certainly does not quantify directly like that as far as someone twice their size is now twice as strong. Couple that with no strength showing whatsoever that would suggest such an amp, and it's obvious hyperbole.
Your analogy doesn't really apply though. Hulk did get a size increase on earth at the end of HOTM but he wasn't explicitly mentioned as being several times stronger because of it. Moreover hulk strength increases have always happened independent of size. In the case of the bi beast and Wendigo thing on the other hand, the strength increase was directly expressed through size. Now in comics there isn't a direct 1:1 relationship between size and strength admittedly. But that means that in any given case the relationship could be either less than 1:1 or greater than 1:1 depending on what the writer wants to do in that specific instance (I.e giant man where it is a greater than 1:1 relationship)
Nonetheless I favor it being hyperbole due to the manner in which bi beast mentions it suggesting it is most likely him just guesstimating at the enormity of what he knows is a humongous amp rather than having actually calculated the exact amount he was amped. The enormity of the amp is actually unknowable. But seeing as the amp is being expressed through size specifically, that 1000 number itself is not inconceivable given how size can relate with strength in comics.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Your analogy doesn't really apply though. Hulk did get a size increase on earth at the end of HOTM but he wasn't explicitly mentioned as being several times stronger because of it. Moreover hulk strength increases have always happened independent of size. In the case of the bi beast and Wendigo thing on the other hand, the strength increase was directly expressed through size. Now in comics there isn't a direct 1:1 relationship between size and strength admittedly. But that means that in any given case the relationship could be either less than 1:1 or greater than 1:1 depending on what the writer wants to do in that specific instance (I.e giant man where it is a greater than 1:1 relationship)Nonetheless I favor it being hyperbole due to the manner in which bi beast mentions it suggesting it is most likely him just guesstimating at the enormity of what he knows is a humongous amp rather than having actually calculated the exact amount he was amped. The enormity of the amp is actually unknowable. But seeing as the amp is being expressed through size specifically, that 1000 number itself is not inconceivable given how size can relate with strength in comics.
Is there something else the size increase would imply though? If we're taking the 1000X increase as hyperbole like it is, Bi-Beast and Wendigo are still most certainly amped to a great extent. Size being the reason in their case. It'd be the same for Hulk no? Even if it's no specifically smacking the reader in the face, Pak used size as a means of heavy strength increase in the same run, and it'd be the same case with Hulk.
Not to mention they didn't really show the power of that amp. Nothing they did suggested such a ridiculous power increase.