so you think she wins and wins EASILY? 😑
how would she bubble him when he has his shields up...? and just because the watcher doesn't find her (was he actively looking for her?) doesn't mean hal can't. an aoe is one possibility but the ring can find practically anything if hal wills it. i'd argue the ring's ceiling exceeds uatu's. i mean the ring has tracked DREAMS via psychic vibrations 😂 galan and i may have used that as part of a tourney we won wayyyyyy back lol her powers are said to be vibrational in nature, the source originating in hyperspace (supported by her ability to injure celestials). don't see why he simply couldn't set the ring to search for the shift in vibrations to find her. his scope of power simply exceeds her, as does his feats imo. don't see how she beats hal.
Originally posted by leonidas
so you think she wins and wins EASILY? 😑how would she bubble him when he has his shields up...? and just because the watcher doesn't find her (was he actively looking for her?) doesn't mean hal can't. an aoe is one possibility but the ring can find practically anything if hal wills it. i'd argue the ring's ceiling exceeds uatu's. i mean the ring has tracked DREAMS via psychic vibrations 😂 galan and i may have used that as part of a tourney we won wayyyyyy back lol her powers are said to be vibrational in nature, the source originating in hyperspace (supported by her ability to injure celestials). don't see why he simply couldn't set the ring to search for the shift in vibrations to find her. his scope of power simply exceeds her, as does his feats imo. don't see how she beats hal.
That's the thing; according to op, only Sue has her shields up.
Sure, you can make a case he eventually finds her. Assuming he thinks to search for vibrational shifts in the area.
But match starts, he tries to find her, whilst she....just has to bubble him. She's already cloaked, and shielded. He isn't. He's still in character. She's willing to kill.
Originally posted by Smurph
Could Hal find her by just blowing up everything in a 500 meter radius? She's not intangible.Whether that's in character or not is a separate argument, I guess.
He could do that, then we'd have to argue if it goes through her shields, whilst she's also attacking him. That's the main problem with IW, her simultaneous offense and defense. But on top of that, OP has stacked it in IW's favour.
So we'd now have to argue if it's in Hal's character to just enter a battlefield and continuously set off AoE attacks while thinking to search for vibrational shifts then instructing the ring to do so then actually finding her then actually targeting her then actually getting to her.
Meanwhile, she has to...put a bubble in him. It's just...... difficult for me to see Hal getting to do all this stuff before he starts losing consciousness from a stroke.
Also just so people know: OP had clarified that none of Hal's pre-52 feats were allowed, for whatever reason. I think at this point JL#1 had just been released, lol (peep the light show!! Batman stealing his ring etc).
So we have:
An N52 Hal (yes yes I know Lanterns were the same blah blah but OP explicitly said no feats from pre52);
Sue willing to kill, with brain bubbles;
Sue entering this match with her shields up;
Sue entering this match cloaked; and
N52 Hal in character.
It's just such an uphill battle for Hal in this thread. That's without me bringing up Sue's feats.
Originally posted by leonidas
okay fair enough. didn't see no shield for gl. 👆 standard battle i'd take hal for sure but with these stips i agree.
👆 Hence my post:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sue wins handily with these stips.
Also, since you asked about the Watcher:
And just recently, she snuck a whole load of heroes into Latveria on a 747 that she made out of her forcefields (so NOT a cloaked 747), past Sorceror Supreme Doom into Latveria, when Wanda says she can't:
So that's her maintaining a forcefield construct all the way on a flight from....NYC to Latveria, then all the heroes (Thor/Vision/Wanda etc etc) invisible.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Watchers are usually garbage though. Also, Hal is a lot more versatile. Not only can he phase, but he can also go invisible as well.
Susan is capable of negating cloaking that can hide 'thousandS upon thousandS' of planets from Galactus, including his most sophisticated sensors:
Originally posted by Smurph
OP didn't say no shields for GL though. Are we taking it as a given that Hal has no auto shields or that IW bypasses them?
lol you're right. took his word for it. why that little....
back to my original opinion. hal wins. unless we're are VERY specifically limiting him to a couple of specific showings. which is.... 👆 but let's clarify.
Originally posted by Smurph
OP didn't say no shields for GL though. Are we taking it as a given that Hal has no auto shields or that IW bypasses them?
Originally posted by leonidas
lol you're right. took his word for it. why that little....back to my original opinion. hal wins. unless we're are VERY specifically limiting him to a couple of specific showings. which is.... 👆 but let's clarify.
I quoted the OP on the preceding page. As for the showings:
Originally posted by wildernesss
also, were talking about current hal btw. pre-reboot feats don't count. hal loses.
OP left it open ended as to whether Hal has shields up. All they said is that they "aren't always active".
Originally posted by wildernesssSo I don't think that specifying Sue's shields are up means that Hal's auto shields are disabled. OP just didn't specify either way.
hal shields aren't always active...& no, I don't think his shields would prevent a focused brain bubble or cutting off his oxygen supply; a focused brain bubble would bypass his shields & manifest within the shields, not without. almost a teleportation type attack. susan's constructs are stronger than hal's.I know that susan's shields have taken the hulk's hits and thor's blasts without any hint of damage.
also, were talking about current hal btw. pre-reboot feats don't count. hal loses.
And incidentally I don't think OP was right to assume that his shields couldn't prevent a brain bubble.
Originally posted by Smurph
OP left it open ended as to whether Hal has shields up. All they said is that they "aren't always active".So I don't think that specifying Sue's shields are up means that Hal's auto shields are disabled. OP just didn't specify either way.
And incidentally I don't think OP was right to assume that his shields couldn't prevent a brain bubble.
👆 so....no autoshields, as OP clearly doesn't think they're that 'auto'.
He IS very clear that he was using 'current' Hal, and was clear that he didn't count pre-reboot feats. My post here still stands, I think:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also just so people know: OP had clarified that none of Hal's pre-52 feats were allowed, for whatever reason. I think at this point JL#1 had just been released, lol (peep the light show!! Batman stealing his ring etc).So we have:
An N52 Hal (yes yes I know Lanterns were the same blah blah but OP explicitly said no feats from pre52);
Sue willing to kill, with brain bubbles;
Sue entering this match with her shields up;
Sue entering this match cloaked; and
N52 Hal in character.It's just such an uphill battle for Hal in this thread. That's without me bringing up Sue's feats.
If around 2011 we have feats from Hal, no pre-52, where he has autoshields and can stop brain bubbles, have at it.