The Kekkei Genkai Madara used were sharingan and wood, though, and we know where they both came from- born with one, stole the other from Hashirama.
I believe them to be just the two things used to trigger Rinnegan rather than a result.
Though if he uses an element KG other than wood, that'd demonstrate the ability.
Originally posted by King Kandy
You can read about this in the chapters where Kakashi first explains Chakra natures. I will here try and explain the difference.There is a difference between knowing an element, and having that elements corresponding chakra nature. This is the fundamentals of Kekkai Genkai; an advanced nature can be created when a person is born with multiple chakra natures in their genetics. For instance, someone born with water and wind can access the advanced element "ice". Meanwhile, someone can train themselves to use water and wind even without those genes; however, they will never be able to learn to use ice, because the actual natures are needed in that case.
The rinnegan provides all six genetic natures, which, I have long maintained, means they can also activate all advanced natures, should they know the proper techniques to do so. I can't think of many cases, but Madara has recently used a multitude of Kekkai Genkai while in rinnegan mode, which could be a confirmation (but could also have other factors).
It's not just being born with two-three natures that allows one to combine them into a new element.
Mei is proof of this. She can use Fire & Earth together, and Fire & Water together, but not Earth & Water together, even though by your reasoning she would be able to. Onoki is further proof, as he can combine three elements at once for a Kekkei Tota, but he cannot use any of the elemental KG's one would expect him to have.
I still don't believe the Rinnegan would be able to perform the advanced genetic natures. But you could be right. Not with Madara though. He's only shown the Mokuton, which he got from Kabuto/Hashirama. That Meteor tech of his is likely a large scale application of Bansho Tenin/gravity powers.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's not just being born with two-three natures that allows one to combine them into a new element.
Mei is proof of this. She can use Fire & Earth together, and Fire & Water together, but not Earth & Water together, even though by your reasoning she would be able to. Onoki is further proof, as he can combine three elements at once for a Kekkei Tota, but he cannot use any of the elemental KG's one would expect him to have.I still don't believe the Rinnegan would be able to perform the advanced genetic natures. But you could be right. Not with Madara though. He's only shown the Mokuton, which he got from Kabuto/Hashirama. That Meteor tech of his is likely a large scale application of Bansho Tenin/gravity powers.
Well, he has used the EMS techniques while in rinnegan form. That meteor tech is bizzarre, where is he getting them from? Just created from thin air? Is there an earth technique involved? I don't understand. When I first saw it i thought he was using Chibaku, but it didn't form by pulling up the ground, it just sort of came out of nowhere.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I think she just didn't know the proper secret art to do that transformation. As Onoki goes, I think he does know the other two natures, just, didn't really need to use them so far and prefers earth.Well, he has used the EMS techniques while in rinnegan form. That meteor tech is bizzarre, where is he getting them from? Just created from thin air? Is there an earth technique involved? I don't understand. When I first saw it i thought he was using Chibaku, but it didn't form by pulling up the ground, it just sort of came out of nowhere.
That's true, but one would then wonder why she would not learn Wood jutsu if she could, since Wood is shown to be incredibly hax. All it takes is using two chakra natures at one time.
Anyway, according to these scans, its not being born with an affinity for two elements, but being born with the ability to mold two elements together that nets you the resulting KG. Which would make sense, as there could be a bunch of people who could combine Fire & Earth into Lava, but could not use Lava simply because they do not know Earth or Fire.
Yeah, but that is because we now know that the Rinnegan is a higher form of the Sharingan.
Well, I guess he's actually pulling it in from space. An extension of Bansho Ten'in, much like a large-scale version of this technique Nagato used: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/549/9
^ i see kandy's point: the meteors just seemed to be arbitrarily pulled down to earth like there is an abundance of them just floating around out there close to the planet. no real effort in searching for two massive meteors...nope, just reach out and pull them down like oranges.
the speed in which they were attracted to earth also makes it seem they weren't that far away either, unless he slowed them down for some reason 99.99999% of the destination from the asteroid belt.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's called a meteorite though. srug
It's a meteoroid until it enters the atmosphere. Once in the atmosphere, it is a meteor. Once it reaches the surface or the pieces do, it is a meteorite.
However, those are large enough to NOT be meteoroids: they are asteroids.
So EVERYONE IS WROOOOOOONG! mwhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaaaaa
So, yeah, those bitches were two moderately sized asteroids. There's between 750,000-1,000,000 asteroids around the size of the ones we saw Madara used...so there are plenty of them available. Why can it not work by simply summoning them and then "force pulling them" to accelerate them? The rinnigan allows for the creation of the mooon...so why not allowing some sort of summoning shit going on with asteroids?
Originally posted by dadudemonSo EVERYONE IS WROOOOOOONG! mwhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaaaaa
So, yeah, those bitches were two moderately sized asteroids. There's between 750,000-1,000,000 asteroids around the size of the ones we saw Madara used...so there are plenty of them available. Why can it not work by simply summoning them and then "force pulling them" to accelerate them? The rinnigan allows for the creation of the mooon...so why not allowing some sort of summoning shit going on with asteroids?
Everyone? That would include you then.
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Makes more sense than Madara pulling in two asteroids from space and then slowing them down once they were in the atmosphere, if they were slowed down.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Everyone? That would include you then.
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Very good: that was the point. I was wrong because I indulged in the "meteor" talk in the official thread...when I knew better...making me wrong as well. weep
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Makes more sense than Madara pulling in two asteroids from space and then slowing them down once they were in the atmosphere, if they were slowed down.
It's true. The atmosphere would not slow them down.
But, he's still have to FIRST summon them from the asteroid belt and then pull them down.
you could just logically extrapolate the moon's creation by the sage by imagining him just compressing enough earthly material that it was the moon as we know it, or did the same thing with space material, but the first one makes more sense since the juubi was on earth when he pwnt it.
the only distinction nagato made was that his chibaku tensei was just a bite-sized version of what the sage was said to do.