Nuff Said.
Nuff Said.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Batman is more skilled imo, but Steve has a staying power that should keep him in the fight a lot longer than Bruce, even with his insane damage soak and stamina.
Steve can last longer, but Batman has some pretty sick endurance feats himself.. Knightfall, for one. Steves endurance is mitigated by the fact Bats has more than enough in the tank to do his damage, before running out of steam...
This is as close, as close can be, imo..
Batman will have a hard time hurting Steve period, with his decent regen at all.
Not to mention his overtly superior reflexes.
Steve is a clear cut bullet timer, by feats and statements. He simply 'sees faster' than normal humans. Batman on the other hand is a sometimes, maybe, vague, 'is it aim-dodging or post-fire dodge?', inconsistent case.
Steve's stamina isn't some single coin tipping category for him. He can and will, at least a few times out of ten, end it before stamina even comes into play.
Steve via greatness. Thumbs up soldier.
Originally posted by CosmicCometSteve is a clear cut bullet timer, by feats and statements.
No. Statements don't count as evidence, and he has no more feats, or no less, than Batman does proving himself faster than a bullet.
Batman and Cap are both solid aim dodgers. Faster than most men can aim, not faster than a bullet.
Originally posted by cdtm
No. Statements don't count as evidence, and he has no more feats, or no less, than Batman does proving himself faster than a bullet.Batman and Cap are both solid aim dodgers. Faster than most men can aim, not faster than a bullet.
No. Statements are a kind of evidence as well, and certainly are not dismissable when they are coupled with on panel feats. In fact, such a thing serves to bolster the feats even more. And he has more consistent, outright feats of bullet timing than Batman, no doubt about it.
Cap literally 'sees faster' and that is his on-panel explanation on how he is able to dodge bullets. And his strength is such that he can throw his shield hard enough to catch up to ICBMs that have taken off.
With no gimmicks or prep and just nothing but their bodies to use, Cap wins. No question.
Originally posted by cdtm
Steve can last longer, but Batman has some pretty sick endurance feats himself.. Knightfall, for one. Steves endurance is mitigated by the fact Bats has more than enough in the tank to do his damage, before running out of steam...This is as close, as close can be, imo..
It really not that close at all. Look at what DS did to Batman in h2h, now image if DS at equal skill to batman and you get what capt would do to batman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Better stats + comparable skill = Steve wins.
Caps stats aren't "that" much better than top peak humans like Bats. Slight strength edge and a good endurance advantage, mostly.. Nothing a top peak human can't handle, and Batman has faced worse.. (As has Cap, but my point is Cap isn't >>> peak human in combat effectiveness. There's even top tiers that I'd give the clear majority to, although Batman isn't one of them.)