Originally posted by Jynocidus
in my opinion...the definitions I gave, represent the same thing. it's a different wording of the same definition.
Meh, see I don't see it as the same thing. Having great (or incredible) amounts of power - so we're not talking WBH or whatever levels of power, but whole other levels here - is not the same as having unlimited levels.
So if I described Classic Ion, or Thanos with the IG, as 'nigh omnipotent, and take the second definition, i.e. they have great amounts of power, then yes, I can have several omnipotents running around my universe. Some will be higher, some will be lower, but they would all be omnipotent.
It's still more significant and therefore more powerful and capable than PM. He is more omnipotent, and has greater power than PM, Presence, and the list goes on.
And it seems that you agree with me, that there can be levels of omnipotence. Cool. I only asked because earlier, I read this:
Originally posted by Jynocidus
omnipotent being(s), does anyone else see the problem with the post from this "expert?"let me point it out for you. "omnipotent being(s)" is plural. There can only be one omnipotent, all powerful, all encompassing being.
So you have to choose, just like the coward Abel. Is PM omnipotent, or is Presence omnipotent? If you pick PM, then in the other thread you have no choice but to admit you were wrong and say LT stomps because you are a hypocrite. If you pick Presence, then you have to say LT stomps here.
which is it? i'm waiting. matter of fact, i'll sit around for 15 more minutes. after that, i'm out for the night and will see you hypocrites tomorrow or something
Originally posted by NemeBroIf you consider the Dc verse is just as powerful or vast as Marvels um yes? Further narration says it adapts to ANYTHING. Further narration says the countdown reaches zero. All of creation is about to be destroyed/devoured but the Suit fights it off its supposed to be a deus ex machina. I don't see how you can read Superman Beyond #2 and not see how it wins
... And that nets him a win over the Living Tribunal?Interesting.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meh, see I don't see it as the same thing. Having great (or incredible) amounts of power - so we're not talking WBH or whatever levels of power, but whole other levels here - is not the same as having unlimited levels.So if I described Classic Ion, or Thanos with the IG, as 'nigh omnipotent, and take the second definition, i.e. they have great amounts of power, then yes, I can have several omnipotents running around my universe. Some will be higher, some will be lower, but they would all be omnipotent.
And it seems that you agree with me, that there can be levels of omnipotence. Cool. I only asked because earlier, I read this:
quote me on this, and I hope you're not trying to twist what I say because of when I replied to a certain situation:
there can be only one omnipotent being, if there is to be one. all others are nigh, or virtually omnipotent only if they are capable to handling such a task. Presence was created by external forces, therefore is not omnipotent -- not even more than LT -- not because it was created, but because it was created AND it is NOT the embodiment of the trinity. Therefore in a neutral setting, LTs powers still work on Presence. You even have people with IG, these "omnipotents" in your example, yielding to necessity. Proving my point, when placing all false omnipotent(s) against LT they pale in comparison. (false because there's more than one, what i keep trying to stress). To all fictional characters, there IS one absolute that is not the creator itself.
CA Supes can adapt to anything. So CA Supes NEEDs to adapt to its opposition, for victory. I don't accept anyone saying CA Supes has what it takes to adapt to LT. CA Supes isn't anywhere near as impressive, or capable as TOAA's representation, the true omnipotent being if there is one. that's how i feel
Yeah, I think what's happening here, is that you, Jynocidus, are using an abstract abstract, if you will, against an abstract. It's essentially boiling the fight down to: 'Stupidly powerful Superman, vs a word'. Almost like the War on Terror, heh (oh no, did I just go there?).
Like I said, I can see how logical your reasoning is, and I can see where you're coming from.
The problem is, however, is that the LT isn't an abstract abstract, as shown in comics (well, the fact that he has been shown at all, and has characteristics, is proof of this).
Originally posted by TheMask
that evil monitor obviously wasnt that powerful if he was killed by a single GL. Sorry but LT STOMPS. He doesnt just win, but STOMPS.In fact the LT shouldnt even notice this guy for the first six months of the fight THEN he STOMPS him cause he thinks its a flea biting his arm.