JLA vs Team Marvel

Originally posted by Sin I AM
strange is not cannon fodder.......Tony and Namor are

I see current Strange as, unless its Sorceror Supreme Strange.

I'm taking most recent incarnations of the Marvels, and pre-reboot JLA (as I haven't seen Marvel, Adam or Fate yet).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Matchup time!!!

Superman - Surfer
MM - Gladiator
WW - Ghost Rider
GL - Kyle - Iron Man
Flash - Wally - Hulk
Aquaman - Sub-Mariner
Captain Marvel - Sentry
Black Adam - Thor
Dr Fate - Hector Hall - Dr Strange
Firestorm - Black Bolt

I give:

Surfer
MM
WW
GL
Hulk
Aquaman
Marvel
Toss-up
Fate
Firestorm

So JLA win 7/8 out of 10. Just how I see it. Maybe we could argue Sentry beats Marvel, but JLA would still get majority.

surfer is not beating superman, Black adam owns Thor, and there is no way in hell aquaman beats Namor

Originally posted by Babajaev
surfer is not beating superman, Black adam owns Thor, and there is no way in hell aquaman beats Namor

No? What would Namor do when he gets mind-raped?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No? What would Namor do when he gets mind-raped?

why should he? aquamans so called telepathy works only on sea cretures but namor is the king so i dont think it will effect him he is beyond that

Originally posted by Babajaev
why should he? aquamans so called telepathy works only on sea cretures but namor is the king so i dont think it will effect him he is beyond that

it doesn't only work on sea creatures. it works on all manner of humanoids, even martians.

Let me dig my old photos up (apologies for the crappy quality, I had a crap camera)

He gets taunted with the exact same argument you used, about only talking to fish:

Then:

pretty much. and he's used his telepathy against other non-sea life too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it doesn't only work on sea creatures. it works on all manner of humanoids, even martians.

90% of the times he tryed that in a fight his opponent always was able to resist it , his telepathy is weak and works properly on sea cretures so i have no reason to believe it will work on namor while it failed almost against anyone he faced

Originally posted by Babajaev
90% of the times he tryed that in a fight his opponent always was able to resist it , his telepathy is weak and works properly on sea cretures so i have no reason to believe it will work on namor while it failed almost against anyone he faced

who told you that? it's not nearly 90%. in truth, his telepathy usually works more than it doesn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
who told you that? it's not nearly 90%. in truth, his telepathy usually works more than it doesn't.

most of his fights he is trying that and it fails... at least it always works with king shark

Originally posted by Babajaev
90% of the times he tryed that in a fight his opponent always was able to resist it , his telepathy is weak and works properly on sea cretures so i have no reason to believe it will work on namor while it failed almost against anyone he faced

Except these are White Martians, trained in telepathic warfare....and he got stomped by Aquaman. Course, you could always argue it was Morrison bigging his new job up, but still...

Originally posted by Babajaev
most of his fights he is trying that and it fails... at least it always works with king shark

what fights are you referring to?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except these are White Martians, trained in telepathic warfare....and he got stomped by Aquaman. Course, you could always argue it was Morrison bigging his new job up, but still...

morrison doing what?

Originally posted by -Pr-
what fights are you referring to?

morrison doing what?

As in, Grant Morrison having been given a brief to 'make the JLA cool again', and deciding to amp all of them up (notably Batman) up. Grant's 'Supergods' book is a pretty interesting read.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As in, Grant Morrison having been given a brief to 'make the JLA cool again', and deciding to amp all of them up (notably Batman) up. Grant's 'Supergods' book is a pretty interesting read.

Oh. In the case of Aquaman, maybe, but Arthur had already gotten a substantial amp from Peter David. It's possible Morrison could have used that to his advantage though.

Originally posted by Babajaev
surfer is not beating superman, Black adam owns Thor, and there is no way in hell aquaman beats Namor

The part about superman being incapable of being defeated by the Surfer has me clued out? If anyone has the Kryptonian's number, it would be the Surfer via several methods. Entrapment in the board, power drainage, molecular dispersal.

Black Adam being superior to Thor is also another flawed view, considering that Thor could send him to the ends of the universe via wormhole bfr or simply into another dimension. There are things that Thor has going for him besides the fact that he is certainly in Black Adams tier in terms of brute strength.

Namor vs Aquaman... this is debatable. Namor may be able to take Arthur, but the same can be said of Arthur taking Namor.

I don't agree that Ironman, Strange, or Namor are canon fodder when you consider that Wally, and Firestorm have poor natural body armor, and could be oneshotted by a couple of those that you called cannon fodder given a particular instance in the combat. Fate is also among the physical inferior.

I would have taken out Namor in exchange for Sersi, but whatever.

How is Thor gonna bfr BA when teth has the aility to return to the battlefield

Originally posted by Sin I AM
How is Thor gonna bfr BA when teth has the aility to return to the battlefield

Really? I was under the impression that Teth was bfred so far from the Earth that it took him centuries to get back. Has he changed?

Originally posted by Stoic
Really? I was under the impression that Teth was bfred so far from the Earth that it took him centuries to get back. Has he changed?

cant recall that, but i do recall him traveling thru his lighting bolt before to the ROE....id have to recheck my library

Originally posted by Sin I AM
cant recall that, but i do recall him traveling thru his lighting bolt before to the ROE....id have to recheck my library

Unless the bolt is faster than light, even half a light-year would be an effective BFR, right?