military invasion of a Western state

Sorry, I'm writing a story and I don't know who else to ask. In my story, a fictional country declares war on NATO and invades the west coast of the U.S, U.K, and Italy. However, I don't know if I want to give this fictional country nuclear capabilities, and the question i am wondering is that, if the country doesn't have any nukes, will NATO still nuke them for the invasion, or will they inact a similar land invasion

I dont see nukes being used unless their small tactical ones for fear of MAD.

What fictional country?

In real life there's not a lot of countries that can challenge NATO in an even slightly conventional war.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What fictional country?

In real life there's not a lot of countries that can challenge NATO in an even slightly conventional war.

The fictional country in my story, which has roughly the military might of the USSR, but I don't know if I want to give them nukes unless they need them to as a deterrant to wage a conventional war

It's unlikely that any country would use nukes on their own soil but they may well nuke the fictional invader's cities in retaliation.

Perhaps some kind of dilemma in that the invading troops families were wiped out and the desire for revenge against the weariness of the pointless losses of war could play a part in your story...depends on whether you're looking at the story from a presidential/commander perspective or telling the story of an infantryman.

Originally posted by jaden101
It's unlikely that any country would use nukes on their own soil but they may well nuke the fictional invader's cities in retaliation.

Yeah that's what I mean. I want the fictional country to invade the NATO states, but for NATO to wage a conventional campaign and not just nuke the invading country. That's why I am trying to figure out whether I should give the invading country a nuclear stockpile, as a deterrent to keep NATO from bombing them when they invade

That would depend on who wins the fight. If the western countries see no other alternatives than yes, they would use nuclear weapons. It would be an absolute last resort, though. If they can repel the invasion without using nuclear warheads than they prolly wouldn't use them.

just to be a stick in the mud, but even at its height, the ussr would have been painfully unable to invade America.

also, such an invasion (uk and us) would by necessity have to begin with aircraft carriers and naval/air based combat, else the British and American air forces would obliterate any landing force.

in terms of nukes though, Blax has it IMHO.

I am assuming hes fictional country is going to have some sort of advantage otherwise I wonder why he would put them up against such combatants.

no, for sure, I'm just saying, like I said, stick in the mud and all that

Fair enough. I am curious though what this advantage is.

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Originally posted by Burning thought
Fair enough. I am curious though what this advantage is.

It's the third largest country in the world with a population of 300 million and a GDP pf 2.4 trillion (yes I choose these exact numbers). It is filled with natural resources allowing a self-sufficient economy. It has the 3rd largest military in the world and the 4th largest military expenditures. The country (called Braslavia) is run by a dictator (Think Stalin meets Milosevic) who has an irredentist desire to conquer the other 7 nations on the continent and slaughter the minorities who now posses these countries. One of the countries is a new UN state and, despite warning from NATO, the Braslavians invade, causing NATO to declare war. This is the third country Braslavia has conquered however, and they manage to push back NATO. Now with jingoist rage at foreign interference, they launch invasions of the US, UK, France, and Italy

Does this sound plausible?

I guess the bigger question is what about those facts would allow the nation to cross the ocean and land enough troops in America that they would be able to occupy significant portions of it?

like, your country's GDP is only 1 trillion more than Canada's.

/shrug

you could make it work, but Braslavia is going to need essentially future tech.

EDIT: or somehow make a surprise attack with a high number of aircraft carriers (?)

If you don't mind my asking, what would a military need to launch a surprise invasion on a NATO state. Or rather what would need to be sabotaged?

He could probably choose a number of things aside from brute strength like sneak attacks and such. Some sort of new large scale amphibious craft that can allow this country to drop so many troops. Wouldnt work on the UK though, cant see them not only getting past most of modern Europe then actually being a threat to America afterwards unless this is a future where America have broken their economic spines and are a step back on the "tech" scale.

So I suggest if you have no problem with creating something that does not technically exist then this amphibious idea would probably be your best bit, other than that I can imagine most countries would be able to defend themselves even if you took out some major elements. What about fuel? mass attacks on all oil centers or w/e?

I think you are better off making the fake country fight another fake country then you can make up what you want. If it is a real Country it would be hard. I too wrote about a war between two fake countrys in one of my books and I found it easier. Also I did not use nukes but did the invastion with knifes and guns instead.

I'm probably going to give them plot device tech, but if they are smart enough to develop such tech, should they also have a nuclear stockpile?

I don't plan on them winning any invasion campaigns of course, but at the same time I don't want it to be too easy for NATO to ward them off, and I don't want a nuclear conflict on the table

I guess.

I read a prophecy once that stated, that the Northern King (Germany), would launch a counter attack on the Southern King (Iran) because of terrorist attacks aimed on Southern Europe (Spain and Italy).

It stated that terrorists residing in Morocco, and Persia (Iran) would be the cause of many deaths in those countries, and thus Germany, and a United Europe would strike back, and crush the Southern King (Iran).

The wild thing is that France holds the power in Europe right now, but Germany will be next in line to hold it. What are the chances?