Stop and Frisk. is this racism or not?

Originally posted by Stoic
Weird thing here is that at one mall in Livinston NJ, I asked the head of security which ethnicity did they bust more frequently, and to my surprise, the ethnicity that came out of his mouth was not black people.

With a population of only 1.2% black, it would be VERY hard to come out with a significant quantity of black-produced crime.

Did you realize that only 3 out of 250 people in that city were actually black? Surely you noticed the lack of blackness in that town?

Did you also know that the city has less larceny theft crime than New Jersey and New Jersey has less than the National Average?

http://www.homesurfer.com/crimereports/view/crime_report.cfm?state=NJ&area=Livingston%20Township

So your anecdote to imply that there is a "black crime myth" actually fails to illustrate your point. In fact, we could infer the opposite from that town (however, correlation does not imply causation so I would caution such a position).

But, to use your example to prove how faulty your point is...let's go with Detroit Michigan because it has the highest population of African Americans in the union (over 80% are black).

http://www.homesurfer.com/crimereports/view/Crime_Report.cfm?state=MI&area=Detroit

Detroit destroys Livingston completely and utterly in every crime category: monstrously so.

We do not have to stop there, either.

We can go on to Jackson MS which also has 80% black population.

That city also destroys Livingston in all categories of crime. It also is higher than the state average.

Do you see a trend? But to extrapolate "blacks cause crime" would be a virtual fallacy.

http://www.units.muohio.edu/psybersite/stereo/crime.shtml

To be honest, I still do not fully know the answer for why people commit crimes. I DO know that the poor are more likely to commit violent crimes...

I do know education plays a role....
I do know that situations (such as family) play a role. If you come from a broken home, you are more likely to commit a crime. Doesn't matter how rich or poor you are. If your parents divorced...the statistics are against you.

Some say that white collar crime is much more prevalent...and that the poor commit less of it but "violent crime" is just more visible. I have studied this (crimes, and why people do them) a lot in college and in multiple courses. It seems to be a recurring topic from ethics, to psychology, to business management. Despite this, I still do not have a clear picture of crime.

also, a security official is probably not going to be all like "oh ya, we bust mad black people"

Originally posted by inimalist
also, a security official is probably not going to be all like "oh ya, we bust mad black people"

Especially to a black guy asking about race and crime correlates.

Originally posted by jaden101
Do you have the % figures of the ones that weren't "totally innocent"?

They're percentages . . .

Originally posted by dadudemon
Especially to a black guy asking about race and crime correlates.

ah, demand characteristics 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Especially to a black guy asking about race and crime correlates.

That poor guard must have been terrified that Stoic would go on a negro rampage if he heard the truth.

I didn't realize Stoic was black (not that it matters at all)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That poor guard must have been terrified that Stoic would go on a negro rampage if he heard the truth.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That poor guard must have been terrified that Stoic would go on a negro rampage if he heard the truth.

You can tell you're just a white dude from Jersey with statements like that. 😄

Read inimalist's statement, then read mine. It will then make sense to you.

Unless you don't know why it may not be kosher to tell a black dude that you single out black people in the mall when only 3 out of 250 are black...

Originally posted by inimalist
ah, demand characteristics 🙂

Yes, exactly. 👆

Think a lot of it is television. Who do you see most as suspects of a crime on tv news?

The more you watch, the more it is likely to stereotype others.

They do call it the idiotbox for a reason.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You can tell you're just a white dude from Jersey with statements like that. 😄

nuts

Pretty sure Sym's terrorist or some other kind of middle eastern, no?

Not being racist.

But it has been statistically proven that there are more crimes committed by blacks than any other race (in the US).

Originally posted by Stoic
The NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practices raise serious concerns over racial profiling, illegal stops and privacy rights. The Department’s own reports on its stop-and-frisk activity confirm what many people in communities of color across the city have long known: The police are stopping hundreds of thousands of law abiding New Yorkers every year, and the vast majority are black and Latino.

An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that about 3 million innocent New Yorkers were subjected to police stops and street interrogations from 2004 through 2010, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:

* In 2004, 315,483 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
279,754 were totally innocent (89 percent)
156,056 were black (50 percent)
90,468 were Latino (29 percent)
29,000 were white (9 percent)
* In 2005, 399,043 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
351, 842 were totally innocent (88 percent)
196,977 were black (49 percent)
115, 395 were Latino (29 percent)
40,837 were white (10 percent)
* In 2006, 508,540 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
458,104 were totally innocent (90 percent)
268,610 were black (53 percent)
148,364 were Latino (29 percent)
53,793 were white (11 percent)
* In 2007, 468,732 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
407,923 were totally innocent (87 percent)
242,373 were black (52 percent)
142,903 were Latino (31 percent)
52,715 were white (11 percent)
* In 2008, 531,159 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
465,413 were totally innocent (88 percent)
271,602 were black (51 percent)
167,111 were Latino (32 percent)
57,407 were white (11 percent)
* In 2009, 575,304 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
504,594 were totally innocent (88 percent)
308,941 were black (54 percent)
179,576 were Latino (31 percent)
53,466 were white (9 percent)
* In 2010, 601,055 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
517,458 were totally innocent (86 percent)
317,642 were black (53 percent)
190,491 were Latino (32 percent)
55,083 were white (9 percent)
* During the first six months of 2011, 362,150 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
317,376 were totally innocent (88 percent)
184,186 were black (51 percent)
119,853 were Latino (33 percent)
33,805 were white (9 percent)

Im all for profiling.