Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Doom versus Superman and Lex Luthor

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why?

It's Mindset, and Doom is involved. Don't worry about it.

What's your favorite pie?

Oh don't worry. Neither Kyle rayner, black adam nor Dr. Doom are gonna defeat Kal anytime soon.

So, the general consensus seems to be that the Miracle Machine is literally Lex and Kal's only chance of beating Reed and Doom? And without that, they clearly get beaten by team 1?

For those seriously arguing the Miracle Machine, how likely do you think Supes/Lex would resort to using it?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
For those seriously arguing the Miracle Machine, how likely do you think Supes/Lex would resort to using it?

You know, at first I thought it was a joke. The Miracle Machine has only been used once, so I kind of wrote off the idea of using it as stupid. Then I thought, "how often does Reed pull out an anti-Celestial gun?", and I guess it's pretty much the same.

What general consensus? Doom and reed are gonna win if you give them five minutes of prep. I am just joking around.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh don't worry. Neither Kyle rayner, black adam nor Dr. Doom are gonna defeat Kal anytime soon.

Why would they want to waste their time oneshotting him?

Originally posted by Cogito
It's Mindset, and Doom is involved. Don't worry about it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Did you really think Team 1 loses any fight, if so, you need to read more comics.

kinda

Originally posted by Cogito
You know, at first I thought it was a joke. The Miracle Machine has only been used once, so I kind of wrote off the idea of using it as stupid. Then I thought, "how often does Reed pull out an anti-Celestial gun?", and I guess it's pretty much the same.

I really don't see a typical fight, even with prep, having the two teams pulling out huge plot device omnipotent/nearly omnipotent weaponry, either.

Originally posted by Cogito
kinda

Good.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because there's no challenge.

Why would they want to waste their time oneshotting him? Did you really think Team 1 loses any fight, if so, you need to read more comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you really believe what you said? That puny "alley rat" is gonna defeat Kal? Or that adam who backed down when superman went out or that doom who was only free because he was in his embassy. Keep dreaming pal, if you think they can defeat SUPERMAN in comics. Guess you didn't hear "superman always wins".

They would get his attention. Kyle would shout "Help me superman, help me". Black adam didn't even get that much attention, after 52 clark said "it was a peaceful year". He didn't even have to stop him, his assistant J'onn and billy stopped him. As for doom, he already know why it's not good to mess with Kal long ago in 1981.

Originally posted by abhilegend
As for doom, he already know why it's not good to mess with Kal long ago in 1981.

Wasnt that SA Supes, or close to it?? I think it was considering Savage Hulk couldn't even budge him!

And it was also long before Doom could wield magic.

Superman was beat and on a laboratory table when Spider-man saved him by pulling the Kryptonite of him. Doom only used the embassy after Spider-man saved Superman.

I am just playing around with mindset, nothing else.

I wonder who wins this?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I wonder who wins this?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why, superman of course.

Reed and Doom Wins.