SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan

This isn't a contest, Gohan stomps hard here. SSJ3 Goku is trash compared to SSJ3 Gotenks and Mythic Gohan.

Goku actually implies that he is as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks.

Though yeah, Mystic Gohan wins.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Goku actually implies that he is as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks.

Though yeah, Mystic Gohan wins.

Are you referring to where he says he could kill Fat Boo? Fat Boo isn't as strong as Super Boo who got pwned by Gotenks.

When Goku showed up after Gohan fought Boo, Boo clearly calls Goku inferior to everyone else. He's been lapped.

Originally posted by Toshi
Are you referring to where he says he could kill Fat Boo? Fat Boo isn't as strong as Super Boo who got pwned by Gotenks.

When Goku showed up after Gohan fought Boo, Boo clearly calls Goku inferior to everyone else. He's been lapped.

No I'm referring to when Supreme Kai asks Goku if Gotenks is stronger than him, he seems to dismiss the notion while saying he can also go SSJ3, but notes how incredibly impressive it is that they have achieved that at such a young age.

Inferior to everyone else? Don't recall this. That would be a funny thing to say, considering Piccolo was there before.

Originally posted by stargun
Chou Gohan is the strongest unfused character the DBZ-verse has ever produced and he was manhandling a version of Buu whom Goku was afraid of fighting even with Vegeta's help.

I don't honestly see how this could even be a close fight.

Did you not see super saiyan 3 goku fighting both super buu with gotenks absorbed and kid buu. Besides the only reason gohan continued his fight with super buu after he absorbed both super saiyan 3 gotenks and piccolo was because he had no other alternative, but goku did. Don't you think goku knew just how much stronger kid buu was than himself, but that didn't stop him from putting up one hell of a fight. Besides there is more to fighting than speed and strength, goku has often fought opponents stronger than himself and he still comes out on top anyway because he makes up for the power difference with his fighting spirit, inner strength and fighting experience, goku has far more fighting experience than gohan and he is more skilled. Plus gohan always gets weaker due to hardly ever training, whilst goku just keeps getting stronger from constant training and from fighting on the battle field against his greatest enemies, because goku is a pure blooded saiyan and because he has such natural ability goku has so many things making him become stronger all the time, they tried to make a few heirs to goku's role but no one has ever had the essential qualities necessary.

Originally posted by KAIKAGE
Did you not see super saiyan 3 goku fighting both super buu with gotenks absorbed and kid buu. Besides the only reason gohan continued his fight with super buu after he absorbed both super saiyan 3 gotenks and piccolo was because he had no other alternative, but goku did. Don't you think goku knew just how much stronger kid buu was than himself, but that didn't stop him from putting up one hell of a fight. Besides there is more to fighting than speed and strength, goku has often fought opponents stronger than himself and he still comes out on top anyway because he makes up for the power difference with his fighting spirit, inner strength and fighting experience, goku has far more fighting experience than gohan and he is more skilled. Plus gohan always gets weaker due to hardly ever training, whilst goku just keeps getting stronger from constant training and from fighting on the battle field against his greatest enemies, because goku is a pure blooded saiyan and because he has such natural ability goku has so many things making him become stronger all the time, they tried to make a few heirs to goku's role but no one has ever had the essential qualities necessary.

Originally posted by yungz22
kid buu wasnt the strongest buu gohan couldve defeated him and its not like goku was winning against gotenk buu he wouldve lost had the fusion not worn off.

Originally posted by KAIKAGE
Goku wasn't winning against kid buu either but he destroyed him anyway. And why did they not have gohan fight kid buu, they could have if they wished for it, heck goku was suggesting bringing both mystic gohan and super saiyan 3 gotenks to the planet to fight kid buu but vegeta didn't think it would be enough. Plus the old kai didn't think super saiyan 1 or 2 gogeta would be enough to beat kid buu.

I think that's false, Goku thought bringing Gohan would be largely enough as I saw it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Inferior to everyone else? Don't recall this. That would be a funny thing to say, considering Piccolo was there before. [/B]

By everyone else I meant Boo said that Goku wasn't "in their league" anymore. The league of Boo, Gotenks and Gohan.

Originally posted by Bentley
I think that's false, Goku thought bringing Gohan would be largely enough as I saw it.

Originally posted by KAIKAGE
Then why did vegeta not agree to bring both gohan and gotenks to fight kid buu, they wouldn't have fallen for the absorption again.

Vegeta wanted the Earthlings to take care of themselves for once, kind of like in the ending of the Dragon saga during GT, so he wanted to use the Genkidama.

I remember debating in a similar topic over at the myfavoritegames.com forums seven years ago. Ah, good times.

I just hope it wasn't the same people participating in this debate.

Originally posted by Bentley
I just hope it wasn't the same people participating in this debate.

There you go, Goku admitting that he and Vegeta are too weak to fight Super Buu.

Originally posted by Astner
I doubt it. However, I'm disappointed in the lack of evidence in this thread. Debating isn't about arguing for the right side, it's about providing evidence, and help people come to rational conclusions based off that evidence.

There you go, Goku admitting that he and Vegeta are too weak to fight Super Buu.

I don't think Goku was including his Super Saiyan 3 transformation.

As shown later on, we know that he can go ss3 in his state. Not sure why he wouldnt include it in that scene.

Originally posted by BloodRain
As shown later on, we know that he can go ss3 in his state. Not sure why he wouldnt include it in that scene.

I know he can go Super Saiyan 3 but he had a habit of underating himself to make others happy (Vegeta in that instance). He knew how Vegeta felt about his transformation. To think Goku at Super Saiyan 3 couldn't stop that form.of Buu is insane.

Not really, considering his very limited stamina in that form when he became alive again, and even if we were to exclude that as a factor, it's pretty questionable/doubtful that he could beat up regular Super Buu the way Mystic Gohan did.

Originally posted by carver9
I know he can go Super Saiyan 3 but he had a habit of underating himself to make others happy (Vegeta in that instance). He knew how Vegeta felt about his transformation. To think Goku at Super Saiyan 3 couldn't stop that form.of Buu is insane.

Goku SS2 would get pounded by FatBuu the same as Vegeta did, just as FatBuu would be beaten by SuperBuu. Goku has to enter his 4x stronger state of ss3 to beat Fatbuu.

Gotenks was able to start competing with SuperBuu as a SS1. Gotenks then became 8x stronger (ss1 to 3) to match and start beating SuperBuu.

Point is, from the numbers SS3 Goku would have be more than 8x stronger than FatBuu to be able to beat SuperBuu. Not happening as we know he's only 4x a SS2.

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“Gohan’s latent power is finally released to its fullest extent in the Fusion Saga, making him the second strongest Z Fighter in the manga (behind Vegito), and the strongest character in the manga to be unaided by fusion or absorption as stated by Akira Toriyama in the second Daizenshuu, on page 114″
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Toriyama confirmed that even SSJ3 Gotenks was more powerful than SSJ3 Goku (albeit by a supposeldly smaller margin). By that logic alone, in addition to comparing how Gotenks fared against the same form of Buu that Ultimate Gohan completely thrashed without effort (whereas Gotenks only began to gain the upper hand partway through an otherwise even fight), dialogue stated later on really doesn't matter since none of it outright contradicts anything that happened at these times.

Any implication of Kid Buu being the most powerful is translation error, and anything implying Goku being even close to the level of Buu after absorbing anyone minus Piccolo is non-canon filler (even in certain scenes, Goku fell on the losing edge against Buutenks alot faster than Gohan did, who, if anything, was fighting on even terms until Buutenks was playing guilt-trips on him). Even in Wrath of the Dragon, Gohan was caught off guard while Goku only gained an upper hand when he discovered and exploited Hildegarn's weakness (he made himself vulnerable when angered).

Goku's barely even in the top five of the good guys by the Buu-saga's closure, all things considered.