Originally posted by Bentley
Powerlevels is one thing, you were claiming that the character history could be different because it wasn't happening in the What If issue.
Also, what's the point of having an angel smiley if I can't try to be cute?
You lost all rights to smileys the day you sold out Kang for Captain Cold. That's just nasty. 😠
Originally posted by zopzop
It could be if the events or story contradict established 616 events.[/B]
I agree with the general sentiment. However, in the particular case we were discussing I actually explained that the backstory, explained, complemented and justified what I said.
And frankly, that What If is among the closer to the original material I've seen, unlike crap like Vulcan-gets-the-Phoenix Force which admittedly sucks gigantic ballz.
Originally posted by zopzop
You lost all rights to smileys the day you sold out Kang for Captain Cold. That's just nasty. 😠 [/B]
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Originally posted by Bentley
I agree with the general sentiment. However, in the particular case we were discussing I actually explained that the backstory, explained, complemented and justified what I said.
Actually that was one of the WORST examples of What If "reality" following established 616 events. In the thread in question check the scans I posted of 616 Korvac going out of his way to hide himself from the other cosmics with special emphasis placed on Eternity. Then when the Avengers forced his hand, he was enraged because now the mighty of the universe were aware of him and the jig was up, again special emphasis was placed on Eternity. Then it ends with him committing suicide.
Yet in the What If version of events, he's exposed, doesn't kill himself and goes about his affairs as if nothing happened. In complete contradiction to 616 reality where he knew it was over because Eternity was on to him. But in that reality he doesn't encounter or mention Eternity till he reached out with his cosmic awareness to get a better grasp of reality.
Worse still, What If Eternity doesn't acknowledge Korvac at all and was absent from the cosmic council assembled to take him down. He doesn't even make an appearance till the very end when Korvac uses his CA + the UN to zap the universe.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yet in the What If version of events, he's exposed, doesn't kill himself and goes about his affairs as if nothing happened. In complete contradiction to 616 reality where he knew it was over because Eternity was on to him. But in that reality he doesn't encounter or mention Eternity till he reached out with his cosmic awareness to get a better grasp of reality.Worse still, What If Eternity doesn't acknowledge Korvac at all and was absent from the cosmic council assembled to take him down. He doesn't even make an appearance till the very end when Korvac uses his CA + the UN to zap the universe.
So you're claiming that absence of proof is a proof of absence? We never see Eternity for the length of the book, at the end we just glimpse at him in a sequence that mimicks Korvac aiming the Nullifier at Korvac. Yet Korvac blames the universe and claims that "every living being" is going against him, and at that very point, we get the hint that Eternity -a.k.a. the entire universe- is in motion. In the other hand, you're interpreting Eternity's absence as the notion of It not caring, and considering the contradicting proof against it, I don't see how your point holds.
And EVEN if you feel it holds, Korvac himself thinks -and has expressed this to be the case several time- that Eternity is on him, and he acts as if this was the case when he sees the armada. That's all it matters to flush away the notion of Korvac "fearing" just the armada. Panels confirm this again and again.
The What If books, follows Michael's monologue against the universe during the KS, in that way it follows pretty closely what it's stated on panel.
Originally posted by Bentley
So you're claiming that absence of proof is a proof of absence? We never see Eternity for the length of the book, at the end we just glimpse at him in a sequence that mimicks Korvac aiming the Nullifier at Korvac. Yet Korvac blames the universe and claims that "every living being" is going against him, and at that very point, we get the hint that Eternity -a.k.a. the entire universe- is in motion. In the other hand, you're interpreting Eternity's absence as the notion of It not caring, and considering the contradicting proof against it, I don't see how your point holds.And EVEN if you feel it holds, Korvac himself thinks -and has expressed this to be the case several time- that Eternity is on him, and he acts as if this was the case when he sees the armada. That's all it matters to flush away the notion of Korvac "fearing" just the armada. Panels confirm this again and again.
The What If books, follows Michael's monologue against the universe during the KS, in that way it follows pretty closely what it's stated on panel.
Sorry Bentley but you are wrong! In the follow up to the story it makes it CRYSTAL clear (not that they needed to) that he was indeed addressing the armada and NOT Eternity.
A) As you can see, the armada had nothing to do with Eternity and he isn't even mentioned in the flashback! Just the space armada. Exactly like I was telling you.
B)In that What If universe Eternity didn't come into the picture till AFTER Korvac used his CA to gain ultimate understanding of the universe! In complete contradiction to 616 reality.
Originally posted by Bentley
Don't you happen to have those Quasar pages scanned entirely? If I recall correctly the issue is narrated by a Watcher?Anyhow, in that very page it states that Korvac wasn't scared of the armada but disheartened at the prospect of a war. So...
The Quasar ones leave more questions than answers. Like how was Quasar able to even ENTER the damn dimension if it was blocked by BOTH Korvac AND the LT? Watcher viewing device>>>>>>>>>>>>>What If Korvac and the LT?
That previous scan I posted isn't from Quasar. It's from a follow up story to the original What IF Korvac.
Yeah, now that you mention the Quasar issue is kind of worse, but it's also of a higher canon ermm
Let's keep that showing in mind to diss the Living Tribunal in some future occasion flirt
The scan is from the same What If issue or was it published somewhere else? (if you could give me the issue number I'll look for it)
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, now that you mention the Quasar issue is kind of worse, but it's also of a higher canon ermmLet's keep that showing in mind to diss the Living Tribunal in some future occasion flirt
The scan is from the same What If issue or was it published somewhere else? (if you could give me the issue number I'll look for it)
I'll do better than that, here is the full scan, I didn't bother because it doesn't add anything to the Eternity discussion. It was Dr. Strange narrating using the Eye of Agamotto to reveal what happened when he was banished from the What If Korvac universe :
This is the issue it took place in :
http://marvel.wikia.com/What_If%3F_Vol_1_43
This is the Quasar issue you are thinking about :
http://marvel.wikia.com/Quasar_Vol_1_30
The dialogue scenes with Korvac are exactly the same as they appeared in the original What If the Avengers became pawns of Korvac. So they don't help your case at all. In it, again he was addressing the armada and there is no mention of Eternity (he's not even hinted at).
