Riddick VS McClane

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
McClane may never have handled a knife himself, but he has been in knife fights. That is to say faced opponents armed with knives. In some cases holding his own in others winning. Remember he iced a special forces soldier in Die Hard 2 While an icicle is not a knife. The manner he used it in could be translated into using a knife. In the same movie he also held his own against Cnl. Stuart who was both skilled and armed with a knife.

Yes, I know and I was going to make it a part of my original message but then I considered the fact that in his contests with Grant and Stuart (who both had knives) the environment clearly levelled the playing field in those contests. They had to deal with McClane and their balance on the wing of a moving aeroplane. And Grant and Stuart showed no lightning fast moves with knives at all, certainly not at the level of Bonham or Hallam who are proper knife fighters.

In the OP, its in a stable, controlled room and by arming McClane with a knife it is still giving McClane a weapon he has never fought with in his movies. He disarmed the two military guys, yes, but he is not a knife fighter and so the contest is still one-sided because as demonstrated in his films Riddick clearly is.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Yes, I know and I was going to make it a part of my original message but then I considered the fact that in his contests with Grant and Stuart (who both had knives) the environment clearly levelled the playing field in those contests. They had to deal with McClane and their balance on the wing of a moving aeroplane. And Grant and Stuart showed no lightning fast moves with knives at all, certainly not at the level of Bonham or Hallam who are proper knife fighters.

In the OP, its in a stable, controlled room and by arming McClane with a knife it is still giving McClane a weapon he has never fought with in his movies. He disarmed the two military guys, yes, but he is not a knife fighter and so the contest is still one-sided because as demonstrated in his films Riddick clearly is.

Fair enough knives favor Riddick I wont argue that point nor would I on purpose. I was just saying McClane isn't with out some experience in regards to close quarters combat with blades.

As for Bonham and Hallem. Their skill with knives is on another level from even Riddicks.

Riddick calls on the animals.

With McClane's luck, Riddick accidentally slips on one of his cans of head polish and opens up one of his own veins. 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
With McClane's luck, Riddick accidentally slips on one of his cans of head polish and opens up one of his own veins. 😛

Nah the awseomeness of his feats still remains 'cause screen feats show that its luck+McActions=result.
(If McClane hadn't wrapped that hose on the roof around himself before jumping off that roof at Nakatomi, he'd have been blown up with the roof.
No matter how lucky he'd normally be if he did something, sitting there, he'd probably have died.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nah the awseomeness of his feats still remains 'cause screen feats show that its luck+McActions=result.
(If McClane hadn't wrapped that hose on the roof around himself before jumping off that roof at Nakatomi, he'd have been blown up with the roof.
No matter how lucky he'd normally be if he did something, sitting there, he'd probably have died.)

Nope. You attached that particular "because" to it. Not me.
Im going off of screen feats. Other characters have even comment on his luck. Ergo it is an in-universe attribute and not just CIS.

Im glad too. I feel less guilty about having pointed out the self ruination that is your 'argument'. 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. You attached that particular "because" to it. Not me.
Im going off of screen feats. Other characters have even comment on his luck. Ergo it is an in-universe attribute and not just CIS.

Im glad too. I feel less guilty about having pointed out the self ruination that is your 'argument'. 😛

Well its not any kinda script.

Scripted battles suck donkey balls.

I would like to submit that McClane is NOT lucky.

He makes his own luck. He's just very resourceful. His "heart" and resiliance is what makes him awesome: not random luck.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He makes his own luck. He's just very resourceful. His "heart" and resiliance is what makes him awesome: not random luck.

I agree with this part.

Yeah...

Riddick has certifiable superhuman physical strength feats, as well as speed (If I am recalling the fight with the Lord Marshall in Chronicles correctly). He was shown catching a 200+ pound man who jumped down on him with one outstretched hand, casually at that, and physically matched a raptor in Pitch Black, holding it at bay with two hands.

I can't recall a single thing McClane has done that points to Riddick not being able to kick his ass bare-handed.

McClane is arguably a peak human in some regards.

Riddick is above peak human in all regards.

McClane exhibits quasi-super-human tendancies.

The example of him not getting his shoulders ripped out of his sockets when catching himself falling down that elevator shaft with his fingertips is just one example of this.

Another would be that that hose didn't shatter his ribcage on the roofjump. Just a couple of examples from the 1st movie...

McClane rips off Riddick's shades and shines bright light in his eyes, then kicks him right in the beanbag.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
With McClane's luck, Riddick accidentally slips on one of his cans of head polish and opens up one of his own veins. 😛

😆

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well its not any kinda script.

Scripted battles suck donkey balls.

I joked.

And hes not 'just' really lucky.
He is really lucky in addition to his other attributes. Simple as.

But since you wanna drag it out, yeah sure, Riddick could indeed for foul of some luck related McShenanigans.

Glad to hear you are pink though.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

McClane rips off Riddick's shades and shines bright light in his eyes, then kicks him right in the beanbag.

That's actually a good point assuming the fighting area is well lighted, although now I'm getting a funny image of Riddick turning the light off and McClane turning it back on again. The fight over the light switch, thats a funny one! 😄

But in all seriousness Riddick is clearly agitated when he loses his glasses in a lighted area or is exposed to light and I would think any area on the 30th floor would be well lighted (because a dark room would bring more bias into the contest than the knives issue). If McClane manages to break or get the glasses of Riddick he could control the contest and win, assuming he can maintain the light in the room.

And with a heavily bruised nut sack, things will be all the more challenging for RidDick.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I joked.

And hes not 'just' really lucky.
He is really lucky in addition to his other attributes. Simple as.

But since you wanna drag it out, yeah sure, Riddick could indeed for foul of some luck related McShenanigans.

Glad to hear you are pink though.