Congress Declares Pizza as a Vegetable

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Tomato is a fruit.

Even 5th graders know this fact 😐

I agree...we are taught science as children. It's just that...some people think the layman definitions trump.

They do...but only in the context of keeping things understandable to the ignorant. If you know the difference and you're not a chef (or doing something that would require your profession recognize it as a vegetable to those around you), there's really no reason to wallow in the ignorance. It just doesn't make sense to do that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The chart makes a flaw...a major one: they are objectively invalid if they contradict the scientific definition.

This is part of the reason we have "science" to begin with: to create a standardized, objective, system and make objective information (as much as possible).

Also, strawberries are not fruit by the correct definition, Bardz. You'd need to recreate that chart. That's not the only mistake, either. Ugh. There's just too much wrong. lol

Just admit that you want to hold on to your peasant definitions and you know you're wrong. I can deal with your argument just boiling down to sentimentality.

Oh...my...god...you know so little about this yet you keep claiming authority.

Strawberries are most definitely fruit (they are not even on the chart though), maybe you meant they aren't "berries" which is sort of correct. Or maybe you meant that Tomatoes aren't berries? But...that too is wrong, they are. Please, just stop writing for a minute and read up on that stuff, you don't even understand the basics of the sole definition you accept.

And that doesn't even come close to discussing the real issue, since I don't deny the scientific definition, I just say that, in language, other definitions are perfectly cromulent as well.

The very first step you'd have to take, would be to prove that the scientific definition of the word "fruit" and the culinary definition of the word "vegetable" can't overlap (hint: You can't prove that cause they do).

Alright, that's seriously it for me now though, there's no reason to continue until you learn a bit more about it.

Originally posted by BackFire
If you can't get fat unhealthy kids to eat properly, might as well move the goalposts.

It doesnt matter if its a fruit or veggie, that fat kid wont eat it anyways. The kid or whomever will try it at first then decide if they like it or not.

I guess Icecream will be next to be declared a Vegetable!

Being a retired school teacher, we should not give kids anything more than soup and sandwiches, why weigh them down with all that stuff that will have them bounce off the walls.

After all, it is the taxpayers money, keep the expenses to a minimum.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I guess Icecream will be next to be declared a Vegetable!

😉

Originally posted by JodiJeff
Being a retired school teacher, we should not give kids anything more than soup and sandwiches, why weigh them down with all that stuff that will have them bounce off the walls.

After all, it is the taxpayers money, keep the expenses to a minimum.

Why even give them sandwiches. Lets just give them soup. Ingredients are expensive though, lets just give them hot water. But lets not heat it up, heat costs money.

And fresh water is a precious resource in many places, so just give them a cup of the tastiest air.

Originally posted by JodiJeff
Being a retired school teacher, we should not give kids anything more than soup and sandwiches, why weigh them down with all that stuff that will have them bounce off the walls.

After all, it is the taxpayers money, keep the expenses to a minimum.

Also, the idea that any food makes children "bounce off the walls" is completely unfounded, unless of course it actually contains a stimulant like caffine.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
You do realise that pizza is pretty much the same as a sandwich?... Bread with topping/filling.

Also, the idea that any food makes children "bounce off the walls" is completely unfounded, unless of course it actually contains a stimulant like caffine.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
My Cracked alarm is going off.

This is why we have ellected officials. To make such important decisionsw like this. Fricken pizza...duh veggie group? WTF? No, it's totally carbs...hmm, but basil would make it veggie. lol Oooo tomato sauce..now it's a real veggie. lol

Next time I'll remember how I voted.,(dumb Americans)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh...my...god...you know so little about this yet you keep claiming authority.

Wow, you're raging over this? Dude, it's just me: Dominic. You know I'm just a pushover IRL. There's no reason to rage about this. I have not claimed any personal authority, by the way.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Strawberries are most definitely fruit (they are not even on the chart though), maybe you meant they aren't "berries" which is sort of correct. Or maybe you meant that Tomatoes aren't berries? But...that too is wrong, they are. Please, just stop writing for a minute and read up on that stuff, you don't even understand the basics of the sole definition you accept.

Calm down, take a step back, and then realize how in the world I came up with "Strawberries".

Your chart combines science and common definitions but only defines one of them as "common".

Additionally, strawberries, by the common man, are berries so even your incorrect assumption of where I'm placing in strawberries, is wrong.

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbsuperfoods/a/berries.htm

It is not as though I am making it up.

You would need to go back through your chart, adjust where your overlaps are, and label what each section is: science and/or common. You would probably need two categories for each, by the way.

And how many people do you know that, using common labels, consider a pumpkin a sweet fruit? It is a "gourd" and considered by most common folk to be a vegetable because it isn't sweet. Hell, some make it into a combo with other "vegetables" in a vegetable juice.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And that doesn't even come close to discussing the real issue, since I don't deny the scientific definition, I just say that, in language, other definitions are perfectly cromulent as well.

I agree that in common language, they are accepted. That's not the problem: the problem IS the common language. Not whether or not they are acceptable in common language. This is why we had to come up with specific definitions: to supersede the common usage conflicts: i.e. avocados.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The very first step you'd have to take, would be to prove that the scientific definition of the word "fruit" and the culinary definition of the word "vegetable" can't overlap (hint: You can't prove that cause they do).

Well, no. Because every chef I've known knows the proper and common definitions for the food they cook with much better than any other group I've come across (I have only known one botanist, personally...she died...bless her old soul 🙁 ). Like I pointed out, they know better than most. They are stuck with using the layman terms because their primary customer is a layman. In fact, the first time I heard about cucumbers being a fruit was on a cooking show when I was a weeee laddy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Alright, that's seriously it for me now though, there's no reason to continue until you learn a bit more about it.

Actually, I cannot learn anymore about it in the context of this conversation. Sure, I could learn for ages about plant life, but that's not what this is about. As you can tell, I knew more about this than you did and I even corrected you twice in this single discussion.

However, looking at your chart, you do allow for some berries to be grouped as sweet AND vegetables. Based on that, strawberries would fit in their in their proper common place IF you label which sections are science and which are common labels. Then you'd have to tell us which culture/people you are using the common label for (please stick to American and English... 🙁 )

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And fresh water is a precious resource in many places, so just give them a cup of the tastiest air.

Please, sir, may I have some more?

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I have no idea what this means. srug

He's making fun of you for being born in the 80s and being black: he thinks your on crack.

trololololololoo.lololololl!!!

Oh, you are just saying the chart is vague, not wrong...yeah, sure, you shouldn't use the word "wrong" though, that means something else (there's still no strawberries anywhere on the chart, btw, so just relax)

But c'mon, just stop dodging and admit that on the point you were wrong, you keep digging that hole deeper, man.

Though maybe we should get back to the congress, for example, this here is apparently the schedule of the congress, I read this somewhere online, but it seems legit:

11/17: Is pizza a vegetable?
11/18: Are squids ticklish?
11/19: How cool are magnets?
11/20: Who would win in a fight, Destiny’s Child or TLC?
11/21: Does anybody actually donate to Wikipedia?
11/22: Are foxes faster than dogs?
11/23: Wouldn’t it be neat if we all had go-karts instead of desks?

Originally posted by Bardock42
1.11/17: Is pizza a vegetable?
2. 11/18: Are squids ticklish?
3. 11/19: How cool are magnets?
4. 11/20: Who would win in a fight, Destiny’s Child or TLC?
5. 11/21: Does anybody actually donate to Wikipedia?
6. 11/22: Are foxes faster than dogs?
7. 11/23: Wouldn’t it be neat if we all had go-karts instead of desks?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, you are just saying the chart is vague, not wrong...yeah, sure, you shouldn't use the word "wrong" though, that means something else (there's still no strawberries anywhere on the chart, btw, so just relax)

Nah, wrong. And I already pointed out that strawberries are considered berries for the same reason tomatos are considered vegetables...the very position you are defending.

Your chart only defines one as scientific and one as common...the rest are undefinid and I pointed out where pumpkins were wrong.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But c'mon, just stop dodging and admit that on the point you were wrong, you keep digging that hole deeper, man.

Nah: I wasn't wrong.

I haven't been wrong about anything, so far. Not even a little. It is not as though you disagree with me, either. It's just that you put more weight into the incorrect use of the word.

really??? white flour

This is a little like lowering standards and making tests/classes easier to help raise grades in school. Sure, you've improved the grades, but the kids will be dumber as a result. Likewise, you can call pizza a vegetable, but it's still gonna make your ass fat.