Mandrakk vs Living tribunal

What about Hulk?

Or Wolverine?

I'm thinking in terms of impact and overall story, even if they're ridiculously overexposed characters.. But so is Supes.

Spiderman is the biggest Marvel hero w/o a question.

He plays a part in almost every major event.

Swag.

Even more than the Fantastic Four, or Thor?

But that's a good way to look at it.. It's kind of telling on Supes importance to DCU when a big point of Underworld Unleashed is "Major crossover without Superman in it!"

Yes, because he's in more than they are.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Ultraman was needed to broadcast Superman's essence to a higher dimension. Fused symmetries:

But it was Superman's "unstoppable/indestructible" story, and Superman's "unstoppable/indestructible" story alone, harnessed in conjunction with the CA, that was able to overcome Mandrakk:

Superman literally had the most powerful story in creation. That's why it could only be him.

That's the scan I was looking for 👆

Waiting for Mindset to come in stating that Doom dreamed the story and had Kyle create it.

I didn't think it needed to be said.

Come now... You know we all have certain expectations for eachother on this site. Quan has his Thanos.

You have Kyle and Doom.

Mine's the Flash

Bada... will be Bada...

etc etc.

lol

Originally posted by guy222
LT

It comes down to the chicken or egg question:

Did the Primal Monitor create the Presence, who created the DCU, or did the Presence create the Primal Monitor as part of his plan for creating the DCU?

If I had to guess, I'd say the Primal Monitor is the sentient void the DCU is contained in.. Which would really make it >>>>> even the Presence..

didn't morrison write that storyline

Yes he did, and Mandrakk too.

i liked his here comes tomorrow storyline in x-men better

Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman is the biggest Marvel hero w/o a question.

He plays a part in almost every major event.

Swag.

Originally posted by Damborgson
What about Wolvy? In 4 teams at the same time + his own comic.

Wasn't he literally in everything at one point?

Every cover Marvel put out had him on it?

Wolverine doesn't come close to having the "ultimate story" or being the "ultimate hero".

In Marvel, it's likely Steve Rogers, Spider-Man, or Reed Richards.

Originally posted by cdtm
If I had to guess, I'd say the Primal Monitor is the sentient void the DCU is contained in..

...So that was a good guess. 😉

But in a more 'direct' sense, I think the PM was meant to represent the canvas/medium through which real world comic writers are able to illustrate their thoughts--essentially, it is the blank pages of actual comic books. Perhaps that's why Mandrakk was obliterated so completely (to the point that the very idea of his story was lost) when he fell into the Overvoid--the mind of Monitor:

How the hell did any of u understand most final crisis. Im not kidding when i say it was the most confusing book i have ever read. The only reason i know what was going on is from plot synopsis and here, and i own almost every crisis comic

Originally posted by Raptor22
How the hell did any of u understand most final crisis. Im not kidding when i say it was the most confusing book i have ever read. The only reason i know what was going on is from plot synopsis and here, and i own almost every crisis comic

It helps if you think of FC as a story about a story. Morrison usually lays the metaphysics on thick, like in his Doom Patrol run.=, where an entire fictional universe was unraveled simply by dropping a logic bomb on it's inhabitants about how they can't possibly exist..