Originally posted by Lostedge
Umm, destroyer 'killed' thor.
And Thor killed Destroyer, you are missing the point.
AD never broke Thor ribs or any of his bones with a hit, Bor hit Thir one time and broke his ribs and could've killed Thor in the process; Thor even stated it wasn't for the Odinforce he would be dead, that statement says a lot and shows how powerful Bor really was. Bor almost KO Thor with his lighting, and this a same Thor that fought a bloodlust Odin and stood his ground.
As of right now, Bor will beat Thanos like his son Odin did, but much worse.
Originally posted by the DarkoneRed Hulk actually beat Thor.
And Thor killed Destroyer, you are missing the point.AD never broke Thor ribs or any of his bones with a hit, Bor hit Thir one time and broke his ribs and could've killed Thor in the process; Thor even stated it wasn't for the Odinforce he would be dead, that statement says a lot and shows how powerful Bor really was. Bor almost KO Thor with his lighting, and this a same Thor that fought a bloodlust Odin and stood his ground.
As of right now, Bor will beat Thanos like his son Odin did, but much worse.
Originally posted by the DarkoneActually no, I'm not. You're arguing one feat as the means to beat Thanos... and Rulk's feat was actually better than Bor's anyway.
You are missing the point too! And yet Thor nearly killed him the second time 😉 .Bor will rip Red Hulk a new a$$ hole.
Oh? But Rulk beated Thor while Bor got killded!!!!@
Wait, didn't the Dark Avengers also take hits from Bor?
Where did it say that Rulk was overheated? That only happened near the end of his fight with the Hulk after Thor nearly killed him. Thor's hammer throw went directly in his face but it was a cheap shot.
I think Daken took a punch from Bor but that was the extent of it I believe. Either his striking power takes a dive without his weapon or it's just one of those comic book rules.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe was heating up all throughout his battles. To say he was at full power would be weird to say the least. Either way, Thor caught him off guard, and didn't let up.
Where did it say that Rulk was overheated? That only happened near the end of his fight with the Hulk after Thor nearly killed him. Thor's hammer throw went directly in his face but it was a cheap shot.I think Daken took a punch from Bor but that was the extent of it I believe. Either his striking power takes a dive without his weapon or it's just one of those comic book rules.
Gargan Venom, Moonstone, Daken, and they weren't KO'd as they were standing around the next page.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He was heating up all throughout his battles. To say he was at full power would be weird to say the least. Either way, Thor caught him off guard, and didn't let up.
Right, cheap shot.Gargan Venom, Moonstone, Daken, and they weren't KO'd as they were standing around the next page.
As I understood it, the angrier he gets, the hotter he get. Hulk kept on pushing Rulk until he wore out. Either way, that was a one time plot device thing. Hasn't happened again apparently. Rulk would wear himself out from constant battle and not heat.
Thor caught him with a cheap shot, gave a big speech, and the continued to pound on him.
Anyways, what's your point with this Rulk fight?
The two are apparently peers, that much is clear. Loeb for all his stupidity even stated Rulk had to constantly keep on pounding Thor or Thor would have regained his composure and gone to work (Or something similar.) Taking into account that Rulk's energy absorbing powers, and that showing wasn't nearly as bad for Thor as some people make it out to be.
So comic book laws. Thanks.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt has happened since. It's the whole reason we got to see Rulk's identity.
As I understood it, the angrier he gets, the hotter he get. Hulk kept on pushing Rulk until he wore out. Either way, that was a one time plot device thing. Hasn't happened again apparently. Rulk would wear himself out from constant battle and not heat.Thor caught him with a cheap shot, gave a big speech, and the continued to pound on him.
Anyways, what's your point with this Rulk fight?
The two are apparently peers, that much is clear. Loeb for all his stupidity even stated Rulk had to constantly keep on pounding Thor or Thor would have regained his composure and gone to work (Or something similar.) Taking into account that Rulk's energy absorbing powers, and that showing wasn't nearly as bad for Thor as some people make it out to be.
So comic book laws. Thanks.
Right, caught him off guard, and didn't let up.
I didn't bring up the second fight, if that's what you're talking about. And I was wondering about Darkone's stance on the Rulk fight considering his Thor stance, on the first one.
Everytime's Rulk's energy powers have been used, it's been specifically stated, and shown. srug
Loeb's fan service may hold you off, if he did indeed say this, but I'll go by comics personally.
Right. It never actually happened, apparently.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
It has happened since. It's the whole reason we got to see Rulk's identity.Right, caught him off guard, and didn't let up.
I didn't bring up the second fight, if that's what you're talking about. And I was wondering about Darkone's stance on the Rulk fight considering his Thor stance, on the first one.
Everytime's Rulk's energy powers have been used, it's been specifically stated, and shown. srug
Loeb's fan service may hold you off, if he did indeed say this, but I'll go by comics personally.Right. It never actually happened, apparently.
I thought he only recently confirmed that he was General Ross and that was after his power was drained by She-Hulk and not because he overheated?
Meh, Rulk didn't let up either outside of speeches when the battle got into space. Thor just stopped fooling around and kept pounding on him. There peers.
Okay. That's Darkone.
As I recall, Loeb stated that there's more to Rulk's powers than meets the eye and we'd see them soon right before or after the Thor fight. Either he or Breevort later confirmed that Rulk's energy powers were in play. I even saw a recent statement of Breevort's posed on HC a month or so ago. Rulk was still a mystery at the time of the Thor fight. I assume he either absorbed the ambient lightning or whatever energy Thor keeps inside of him. I noticed that in their second battle, Thor never let Rulk lay a hand on him and as I understand it, Rulk's energy absorption works through contact.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI thought it was because he overextended himself. I'm not going back to check though since it sucked.
I thought he only recently confirmed that he was General Ross and that was after his power was drained by She-Hulk and not because he overheated?Meh, Rulk didn't let up either outside of speeches when the battle got into space. Thor just stopped fooling around and kept pounding on him. There peers.
Okay. That's Darkone.
As I recall, Loeb stated that there's more to Rulk's powers than meets the eye and we'd see them soon right before or after the Thor fight. Either he or Breevort later confirmed that Rulk's energy powers were in play. I even saw a recent statement of Breevort's posed on HC a month or so ago. Rulk was still a mystery at the time of the Thor fight. I assume he either absorbed the ambient lightning or whatever energy Thor keeps inside of him. I noticed that in their second battle, Thor never let Rulk lay a hand on him and as I understand it, Rulk's energy absorption works through contact.
I know Rulk didn't. But Rulk didn't start the fight off with a cheapshot. Actually, Thor was pounding on Rulk until Rulk stopped the hammer, and led the trip into space.
Yes, peers. Glad you think so.
That is Darkone, who I was talking to.
Like I said, fan service. Even if, you assume, or you know?
Rulk's powers weren't shown to work in that fight, and were never even close to being alluded to. I'm not even sure when he could have... after he stopped Thor's hammer and took him to space?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I thought it was because he overextended himself. I'm not going back to check though since it sucked.I know Rulk didn't. But Rulk didn't start the fight off with a cheapshot. Actually, Thor was pounding on Rulk until Rulk stopped the hammer, and led the trip into space.
Yes, peers. Glad you think so.That is Darkone, who I was talking to.
Like I said, fan service. Even if, you assume, or you know?
Rulk's powers weren't shown to work in that fight, and were never even close to being alluded to. I'm not even sure when he could have... after he stopped Thor's hammer and took him to space?
Nah, I'm pretty sure that his power was drained for the Leader's machine and then the Red She-Hulk finished him, turning him into Ross. He then drained the power of the Cosmic Hulk, restoring himself.
When the fight reached space, he grabbed Thor's hammer -which had him shocked- and kept on pounding him. The situation isn't that much different. I will admit that Thor had a bigger opportunity to put Rulk down than vise versa.
It is an assumption but one based on common sense. What else would he be able to drain besides the ambient lightning or Thor's inner energy? Thor isn't Superman or the Hulk. He isn't powered by some form of energy but he does have a reservoir of energy within him from what I understand. Rulk probably absorbed said energy to some extent.
So what if they weren't alluded to? For all his stupidity, I don't think Bendis came up with Rulk's energy absorption powers the day he showed them. They would explain Thor's performance and how the Hulk was put down from a single broken bone.
Rulk's energy powers seem to work through contact. Every second he had a hand on Thor he could have been getting stronger. I also noticed that Thor was throwing around a lot less lightning in his second fight with each blow than in the first. His hits were just radiating that shit in the first encounter.
Or we could be wasting our time like gundam said. I still don't understand how Rulk's attacks with Mjolnir were able to radiate energy.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI have no idea. I'm not even sure I read the previous issues tbh. Just read the reveal.
Nah, I'm pretty sure that his power was drained for the Leader's machine and then the Red She-Hulk finished him, turning him into Ross. He then drained the power of the Cosmic Hulk, restoring himself.When the fight reached space, he grabbed Thor's hammer -which had him shocked- and kept on pounding him. The situation isn't that much different. I will admit that Thor had a bigger opportunity to put Rulk down than vise versa.
It is an assumption but one based on common sense. What else would he be able to drain besides the ambient lightning or Thor's inner energy? Thor isn't Superman or the Hulk. He isn't powered by some form of energy but he does have a reservoir of energy within him from what I understand. Rulk probably absorbed said energy to some extent.
So what if they weren't alluded to? For all his stupidity, I don't think Bendis came up with Rulk's energy absorption powers the day he showed them. They would explain Thor's performance and how the Hulk was put down from a single broken bone.
Rulk's energy powers seem to work through contact. Every second he had a hand on Thor he could have been getting stronger. I also noticed that Thor was throwing around a lot less lightning in his second fight with each blow than in the first. His hits were just radiating that shit in the first encounter.
Or we could be wasting our time like gundam said. I still don't understand how Rulk's attacks with Mjolnir were able to radiate energy.
Yes, Thor had a bigger chance. Rulk actually had to fight. Thor just cheapshotted him and didn't let up.
First off, I don't even believe he drained him in the first place. Second, the only time he could have drained him was already after his best feats in the fight under his own power. Taking a big hammer shot to really no effect, and blocking a big hammer shot with one hand.
Third, since I notice you're talking alot about lightning... he was absorbing lightning when he was getting smacked around?
Because like I said, everytime he used said powers, they were specifically stated, and shown. Also, I believe Hulk was choked out, but then I'd have to re-read it.
Also, if Bendis showed them, then ya that's when he thought about them, since Loeb was the one who wrote everything else...
K. And Thor was contacting the shit out of him in the second fight, and still hitting him with lightning.
If you're implying that that is reason Thor knowing he's being drained, then it also stands to reason that he'd say something.
If you're saying that Rulk couldn't absorb it because he wasn't throwing around lightning, well, he was still throwing around lightning.
We are wasting our time, that's the thing. You're so bent up about Loeb's comments, and explaining all of Thor's low/lower feats, that you overlook the fact that Loeb is shit. Loeb wrote that fight as Rulk just plain beating the shit out of Thor, and then wrote the next issue to even it out a bit. He didn't expect such backlash, so it looked like he backpedaled the shit out of it... if such interviews are true.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I have no idea. I'm not even sure I read the previous issues tbh. Just read the reveal.
Okay.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Yes, Thor had a bigger chance. Rulk actually had to fight. Thor just cheapshotted him and didn't let up.
The real Thor smack down happened when they reached space. At that moment the situation was the same. Rulk took Thor by surprise and just kept pounding him.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
First off, I don't even believe he drained him in the first place. Second, the only time he could have drained him was already after his best feats in the fight under his own power. Taking a big hammer shot to really no effect, and blocking a big hammer shot with one hand.
Third, since I notice you're talking alot about lightning... he was absorbing lightning when he was getting smacked around?
That's fine. You can think what you want. I don't care.
Then Thor simply kicked things up a notch as he wasn't laughing off Thor's hits in the second encounter.
Possibly. If he absorbed Thor's energy, it would either have to be his inner energy, or Mjolnir's lighting (Unless he actually absorbed the energy inside Mjolnir which I think is just too far.)
The difference in lightning generation between the first fight and the second one leads me to believe that there might be something to it.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Because like I said, everytime he used said powers, they were specifically stated, and shown. Also, I believe Hulk was choked out, but then I'd have to re-read it.
Also, if Bendis showed them, then ya that's when he thought about them, since Loeb was the one who wrote everything else...
And like I said, Rulk still had some aura of mystery at that time. I think he grabbed Hulk by the throat in a hold then broke his arm, which caused him to black out.
My bad. I meant Loeb.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
K. And Thor was contacting the shit out of him in the second fight, and still hitting him with lightning.
If you're implying that that is reason Thor knowing he's being drained, then it also stands to reason that he'd say something.
If you're saying that Rulk couldn't absorb it because he wasn't throwing around lightning, well, he was still throwing around lightning.
I know all this. I'm simply pointing out that the lightning was toned down. It's still Loeb. He retconned all of Samson's history to explain Ross/Red Hulk fiasco. I'm saying that maybe the decreased amount of energy in the strikes might mean something.
There's a distinct different in energy thrown around by Thor's blows between the first and second fight:
http://www.comicboards.com/app/image.php?msg=thor-2008073023540335&att=Untitled-1.jpg&fullsize=yes
http://www.comicboards.com/app/image.php?msg=thor-2008073023540335&att=Untitled-2_3.jpg&fullsize=yes
http://www.comicboards.com/app/image.php?msg=thor-2008092420230844&att=Untitled-1_100.jpg&fullsize=yes
http://www.comicboards.com/app/image.php?msg=thor-2008092420230844&att=Untitled-2_100.jpg&fullsize=yes
The only thing that has me puzzled was the lightning Thor threw at Rulk but that could be explained by Rulk needing an actual physical medium for absorption.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
We are wasting our time, that's the thing. You're so bent up about Loeb's comments, and explaining all of Thor's low/lower feats, that you overlook the fact that Loeb is shit. Loeb wrote that fight as Rulk just plain beating the shit out of Thor, and then wrote the next issue to even it out a bit. He didn't expect such backlash, so it looked like he backpedaled the shit out of it... if such interviews are true.
Fair enough. I just don't see why Loeb would care about the backlash and energy absorption would really explain the Hulk's and Thor's performance.
His work might read as if it was written on the way to work but this shit is usually planned out months in advance as I understand it.
The Loeb interview came out right after the Thor issue as I recall. He said we'd see more about Rulk's powers and a few issues later, we saw Rulk draining Surfer. I'm not sure if he made any comment regarding the art.
Hulk's apparently going to push Rulk's shit in the following months and Thor might possibly do the same. We'll see.
