X-Men vs Franklin Richards · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Hope will steal Franklins powers and use them at it against him at it's fullest potential.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by guy222
love mutants
love the powa
and guess who made em all

Nature! 💃

Originally posted by guy222
what are ur most powerful mutants good friend

In no particular order. Of the top of my mind.

Jean as White Phoenix (if she counts)
Beyonder -Mutant Inhuman- (if he counts)
Marquis of Death
HoM Wanda
Mad James Jaspers
Legion
Franklin Richards
Jamie Braddock
Hope Summers *a strange connection to the Phoenix Force, and is the Black Alice of the Mutant Race.

These guys can play-dough the entire universe, while tossing the middle finger in the air.

Originally posted by guy222

and do u like the phoenix force returning

No!

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by "Id"
Nature! 💃
In no particular order. Of the top of my mind.
Jean as White Phoenix (if she counts)
Beyonder -Mutant Inhuman- (if he counts)
Marquis of Death
HoM Wanda
Mad James Jaspers
Legion
Franklin Richards
Jamie Braddock
Hope Summers *a strange connection to the Phoenix Force, and is the Black Alice of the Mutant Race.
These guys can play-dough the entire universe, while tossing the middle finger in the air.
No!

Pretty much agreed here. But I think Franklin's precog gives him a slight edge in getting the insta-death cannon off before the other reality warpers get theirs off. It's not so much my faith that his reality warping is superior just that his precog in particular gives him an edge.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Legion has precog abilities of his own. He gained it when he killed Destiny.

Mr.Mxyzptlk Senior Member

I thought the "Inhuman Mutant" Beyonder thing was hinted to just be the Beyonder screwing around with people's minds and memories.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I thought the "Inhuman Mutant" Beyonder thing was hinted to just be the Beyonder screwing around with people's minds and memories.

I have no clue if thats true or not. I've read the comic, but there is nothing concrete.

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by "Id"
Legion has precog abilities of his own. He gained it when he killed Destiny.

Damn completely forgot about that. Hmmm... Like I said though when you have high end reality warps I really feel it just comes down to who pulls the trigger first. But you've convinced me. David's character will likely be a bit jumpier on that trigger than Franklin would be even with CIS off. Failing that this turns into a stalemate fight in which everyone but the reality warpers die miserably.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Look both Franklin, and David are universal reality warpers, with the potential to become stronger.

In Franklins case, he has yet to reach maturity.

In Davids, he has yet to re-complete himself.

Whats in favor of Legion is that he is more fit for the battledome, given that he will erase you from reality. With the Elder Gods being the strongest opponent he has defeated to this date. Compare that to Franklin who only musters up anti-bug spray to deal with Annihilus army.

My views on Richard my change in the incoming months, since Fantastic Four plot is eluding a confrontation with Galactus down the road.

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by "Id"
Look both Franklin, and David are universal reality warpers, with the potential to become stronger.
In Franklins case, he has yet to reach maturity.
In Davids, he has yet to re-complete himself.
Whats in favor of Legion is that he is more fit for the battledome, given that he will erase you from reality. With the Elder Gods being the strongest opponent he has defeated to this date. Compare that to Franklin who only musters up anti-bug spray to deal with Annihilus army.
My views on Richard my change in the incoming months, since Fantastic Four plot is eluding a confrontation with Galactus down the road.

I don't put much stock in Galactus confrontations anymore when trying to judge them on a cosmic powerscale. Big G is nothing but a shadow of himself in my eyes.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by "Id"
Nature! 💃
In no particular order. Of the top of my mind.
Jean as White Phoenix (if she counts)
Beyonder -Mutant Inhuman- (if he counts)
Marquis of Death
HoM Wanda
Mad James Jaspers
Legion
Franklin Richards
Jamie Braddock
Hope Summers *a strange connection to the Phoenix Force, and is the Black Alice of the Mutant Race.
These guys can play-dough the entire universe, while tossing the middle finger in the air.
No!

A few things :

a) hasn't HoM Wanda been retconned? It wasn't her power but something Doom did magically to connect her with the "LifeForce"?

b) think Jamie should be higher up on that list. Last time he was seen, he was fighting to a draw with the First Fallen (the "male" counterpart to the PF).

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Uriel005
I don't put much stock in Galactus confrontations anymore when trying to judge them on a cosmic powerscale. Big G is nothing but a shadow of himself in my eyes.

It would give us a nice measure on Franklin.

Look at Legion, he is beyond the X-Men, and can phuck with reality as a whole. In combat he defeated a legion of Elder Gods. Regardless of what your opinions are of the Elder Gods, they where beyond what the X-Men can deal with. Hell their presence was spreading irreversible corruption on the universe. And the manner that he did so, was impressive.

Creating a back up reality, and reboot it leaving the elder gods out.

Its the same with Galactus, even better. We know the nature of Galactus. That alone gives us much more feed back than the Elder Gods. It would only come down to how Franklin handles himself, and against fierce opposition.

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by zopzop
A few things :
a) hasn't HoM Wanda been retconned? It wasn't her power but something Doom did magically to connect her with the "LifeForce"?
b) think Jamie should be higher up on that list. Last time he was seen, he was fighting to a draw with the First Fallen (the "male" counterpart to the PF).

He said no particular order in the second line.

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by "Id"
It would give us a nice measure on Franklin.
Look at Legion, he is beyond the X-Men, and can phuck with reality as a whole. In combat he defeated a legion of Elder Gods. Regardless of what your opinions are of the Elder Gods, they where beyond what the X-Men can deal with. Hell their presence was spreading irreversible corruption on the universe. And the manner that he did so, was impressive.
Creating a back up reality, and reboot it leaving the elder gods out.
Its the same with Galactus, even better. We know the nature of Galactus. That alone gives us much more feed back than the Elder Gods. It would only come down to how Franklin handles himself, and against fierce opposition.

I suppose but I don't think that it's really anything to smile about in terms of the higher cosmic order anymore. Galactus is to up and coming Cosmic influences as Rhino is to Spiderman/ other heroes of that level.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by zopzop
A few things :
a) hasn't HoM Wanda been retconned? It wasn't her power but something Doom did magically to connect her with the "LifeForce"?

I have no clue. I have not kept up with the Children's Crusade arc.

Originally posted by zopzop

b) think Jamie should be higher up on that list. Last time he was seen, he was fighting to a draw with the First Fallen (the "male" counterpart to the PF).

I said in no particular order. I want to avoid an argument in tier placement. That shit is a pain in the ass when it comes to Cosmic Phuckers.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by "Id"
I have no clue. I have not kept up with the Children's Crusade arc.

Yup, it wasn't her power :

and Doom has it now :

Finally that over rated skank is put in her place.

I said in no particular order. I want to avoid an argument in tier placement. That shit is a pain in the ass when it comes to Cosmic Phuckers.

My bad 🙁

Sr J-Bieb Dead

Originally posted by zopzop
Last time he was seen, he was fighting to a draw with the First Fallen (the "male" counterpart to the PF).

And he warped the white room that is also hot

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And he warped the white room that is also hot

I just now saw the scan at comicvine, omfg. Stupid overpowered Omega mutant garbage. Hopefully all this crap is retconned soon.

guy222 With my gal

Originally posted by "Id"
Nature! 💃
In no particular order. Of the top of my mind.
Jean as White Phoenix (if she counts)
Beyonder -Mutant Inhuman- (if he counts)
Marquis of Death
HoM Wanda
Mad James Jaspers
Legion
Franklin Richards
Jamie Braddock
Hope Summers *a strange connection to the Phoenix Force, and is the Black Alice of the Mutant Race.
These guys can play-dough the entire universe, while tossing the middle finger in the air.
No!

always love ur comments friend

celestials made the mutants....that's why they are all powerful praise to the creator

i give a list of all powerful mutants soon

looking forward to the force back in play

i just wish stupid marvel said hope was jean as the rumors persisted

Power Cosmic II BigG > Mad Celestial Host

Originally posted by guy222
always love ur comments friend
celestials made the mutants....that's why they are all powerful praise to the creator
i give a list of all powerful mutants soon
looking forward to the force back in play
i just wish stupid marvel said hope was jean as the rumors persisted

celestials need to temper their hand.

sinister messing with one of their own

franklin casually making a universe, going inside and manipulating it at will with an infant's mind and calling himself Hyperstorm (ruh roh!)

they should've put an end to all of it while they were ahead.

wasn't their directive to seed planets so that one, ultimate day, humans would eventually evolve enough to replace the abstracts? forget where i read that....

...if that's the case they achieved that a long time ago i would say

guy222 With my gal

temper what good friend

celestials can destroy at will

don't forget those wraithwings 😛

franklin has celestial lvl powers u know galactus fears franklin as he's respected by the celestials

one is with jack

not even galactus is one with 'god'

u know earth-x/x-men forever isn't contunity

galactus fears being replaced, how in the blue hell did/why eternity/celestials make a mistake and know galactus fights for his life greatest fight u ask a celestial fan(guy222 😂 😛) vs the celestials

both live however it happens celestials return again n eternals

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