Jewish-Republican coalition bars Ron Paul from debate.

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Jewish-Republican coalition bars Ron Paul from debate.

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I'm no expert on Ron Paul's Israel views, and I reserve the right to be outraged later by what I don't know now, but what I find interesting here is the namecalling-to-content ratio. Here, let's count it out:

Name-calling: 1) "misguided and extreme," 2) "so far outside of the mainstream," 3) "like...ALLAH HUSSEIN OBAMA," 4) "will appeal to a very narrow constituency," 5) "dangerous isolationist vision," 6) "uniformly derided," 7) "claim[s] to be non-interventionist," 8) "Isolationist," 9) "differen[t]," 10) "crank."

Content: 1) "virulent and harsh critic of Israel," 2) "voiced his objection to the...killing of Osama Bin Laden," 3) "routinely adopted Arab talking points," 4) "compar[ed] Gaza to 'a concentration camp," 5) "would create a global power vacuum that would likely be filled by supporters of Israel's enemies."

Looking at the five content items, 1) is supported only by 4); 2) intentionally left out the phrase "legal method of," 3) is a general and largely contentless insult, 4) is a discrete piece of hyperbole that rubs my literalist heart the wrong way, too (though the full quote contains two qualifiers: "Palestinians are virtually in like a concentration camp"😉; and 5) is the Transitive Property run amok, though it does at least hint at the real-world question/critique of what, exactly, replaces hegemonic American responsibility for world affairs, and which bad actors are more likely to do badder things.

Does this, plus Paul's principled rejection of all foreign aid, his relentless espousal of the "blowback" theory of terrorism, and his negligence in allowing to appear under his name during the first Clinton administration some newsletter conspiracy theorizing about (among other things) the 1993 World Trade Center bombing being a "setup by the Israeli Mossad" enough to disqualify him for the grownups' table on foreign policy?

Well, I'm neither Republican nor Jewish nor a member of a Coalition, so the immediate event is not my call (though I do believe that dissonance is more illuminating than seven-part harmony). That said, this seems to me more of an attempt to draw boundaries around acceptable policy discourse than any active concern that President Dr. Ron Paul would be actively anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. The fact that he is a political outlier on an effectively bipartisan U.S. foreign policy that has become increasingly expensive and unpopular strikes me as a count in favor, not against. And nothing Paul said at last month's largely grotesque American Enterprise Institute foreign policy debate struck me as more objectionable than Mitt Romney's grovel that his first overseas trip as president would be to Israel.


ISRAEL IS INDEED OUR GREATEST ALLY, THANK GOD FOR ZIONISTS SUPPORTING THE DEATH OF TROOPS.

Those Jews have some big nostrils, I'll give them that.

Group Bars Presence of Irrelevant Man Who Hates Them

In other news whiny Internet Libertarians still can't stop whining.

Ron Paul applies the same policy to other nations, not just Israel. But I'm glad the JR Coalition can pretend to be victims so Ron Paul won't be there to show why all the other Republicans are idiots for blindly supporting Israel.

Originally posted by lord krondor
Those Jews have some big nostrils, I'll give them that.

They also have great brakes on a car. I hear they can stop on a dime and even pick it up.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Group Bars Presence of Irrelevant Man Who Hates Them

In other news whiny Internet Libertarians still can't stop whining.

That's bullshit though. There's no indication that Ron Paul hates jews and he's also not irrelevant voting wise, he appear and might be irrelevant because the media decided to ignore him. He constantly polls around 3rd place in the Republican nomination, without any of the excessive media coverage that other Republicans enjoy.

Now, he has a lot of issues, but lets not lie about him to be contrarian, shall we?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Group Bars Presence of Irrelevant Man Who Hates Them

Tell me more, oh wise and knowledgeable libfag.

😂

I LIKE RON PAUL..

BUT DOES HE LIKE YOU?

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's bullshit though. There's no indication that Ron Paul hates jews

I didn't say he hated jews, I said he hated this group. You know those people who love Israel?

Originally posted by Bardock42
and he's also not irrelevant voting wise, he appear and might be irrelevant because the media decided to ignore him. He constantly polls around 3rd place in the Republican nomination, without any of the excessive media coverage that other Republicans enjoy.

He polls as popular then gets barely any votes. Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I didn't say he hated jews, I said he hated this group. You know those people who love Israel?

Fair enough

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He polls as popular then gets barely any votes. Irrelevant.

Yeah, interesting what a media blackout does...sort of illuminates the power these organisations have in the "democratic" process.

Anyways, he'll get more votes than half the people they did invite, so either way it's definitely an issue when they don't invite one of the potential candidates, even if you are clairvoyant (self fulfilling prophecy perhaps)

Doesn't matter if they bar him, he's the only viable candidate at this point.

Gringrich is a massive flip flopper and Romney is a tool. Bachmann is inexperienced and a former IRS agent, Cain dropped out and was chairman for the Federal Reserve of Kansas(also knows his pokemon movies).

All the democrats have is lolbama, but I'm sure they'll just play the race card again like they did last time.

Ironic considering that the only party I know of that supports Israel in its charter and truly represents any notion of Jewish morality is the Social Democratic Party, of which I am a member. Big whup, a bunch of deluded, conservative Jews and Republican, Jew-hating Christian Zionists exclude a closet antisemite from their little jackoff party.

I'm confused... how can someone be a jew hating, christian, zionist? This seems impossible.

Originally posted by Cyner
I'm confused... how can someone be a jew hating, christian, zionist? This seems impossible.

If you look at the beliefs of most charismatic Christian Zionists, it's clear how someone can support Israel as a political entity, yet still be a jew-hating waste of sperm and egg. Most Christian Zionists either believe in supporting Israel as part of an end times prophecy during which Jews will be punished or want to establish a stable Jewish state to deport all Jews to. People like John Hagee and Glenn Beck are friends of Israel who still consider Jews inferior and make antisemitic comments the way most of us piss or shit. If this seems like a foreign concept, see the Jewish Oblast in Siberia.