Originally posted by StealthRanger
Since when has Ryu ever beaten Akuma? Only one who ever has in Gouken, and thats because he's in the same league. Both Akuma and Gouki are many orders of magnitudes higher than RyuPlus a single hit would level Samus' shields and armor completely
Granted, I was unaware of that first part. However, I don't buy that Akuma can just instantly bring down Samus' defenses. If you've played any of the Metroid Primes you'll understand. Dark Samus, a dynamically similar entity to Akuma with higher mobility and greater power output, has proven unable to just outright level Samus, so I'm not too inclined to believe Akuma can do any better. Samus is also elusive enough to avoid taking damage to begin with, and I'm not sure how Akuma plans to deal with an arsenal larger than that of most small countries and more advanced than that of anything in the SF universe. From what I can tell, Akuma has little to no prior experience doing so. If otherwise, please enlighten me.
Akuma destroyed a mountain-filled island with a single strike. That feat puts his damage output past Dark Samus' to my knowledge. And to put that in perspective this kind of power is also likely to exceed that of any nuclear weapon tested to this day.
And Akuma also jumped from the ocean floor all the way to the surface in a matter of seconds whilst carrying a naval ship (which weights at least a couple thousand tons), so he's no to be underestimated in terms of mobility either.
I can see him ending this easily with a teleport + karate chop combo.
Originally posted by stargun
Akuma destroyed a mountain-filled island with a single strike. That feat puts his damage output past Dark Samus' to my knowledge. And to put that in perspective this kind of power is also likely to exceed that of any nuclear weapon tested to this day.And Akuma also jumped from the ocean floor all the way to the surface in a matter of seconds whilst carrying a naval ship (which weights at least a couple thousand tons), so he's no to be underestimated in terms of mobility either.
I can see him ending this easily with a teleport + karate chop combo.
I knew about him splitting an island. That's a feat of strength, as is carrying a naval ship, which I've already considered. When I speak of power output comparing Akuma and Dark Samus, I'm referring to Akuma's ki and Dark Samus' phazon energy. Phazon has a volatility level far exceeding nuclear energy, so Akuma beating a nuke doesn't say much. Samus also has access to phazon energy, so he still has that to deal with. In terms of mobility, Samus will never lose sight of him so long as she remains locked on, so he's not really going to surprise her.
Originally posted by Sacred 117All of Akuma's superhuman enhanced stats stems from his ability to harness and control chi, so in a way even feats performed physically speaks for his energy output. Besides which particular source of power each character uses is not actually relevant, but rather the feats one can accomplish with said power source.
I knew about him splitting an island. That's a feat of strength, as is carrying a naval ship, which I've already considered. When I speak of power output comparing Akuma and Dark Samus, I'm referring to Akuma's ki and Dark Samus' phazon energy. Phazon has a volatility level far exceeding nuclear energy, so Akuma beating a nuke doesn't say much. Samus also has access to phazon energy, so he still has that to deal with. In terms of mobility, Samus will never lose sight of him so long as she remains locked on, so he's not really going to surprise her.
Originally posted by stargun
All of Akuma's superhuman enhanced stats stems from his ability to harness and control chi, so in a way even feats performed physically speaks for his energy output. Besides which particular source of power each character uses is not actually relevant, but rather the feats one can accomplish with said power source.
Can Akuma potentially destroy planets?
The problem with the Metroid games, is that they weren't made for battle boards like this. We all have ideas about how powerful Samus is, but she doesn't actually have many quantifiable feats of strength/speed/power output/etc.
It's very difficult to argue for her, unless its against an obviously human or so character.
Originally posted by StyleTime
The problem with the Metroid games, is that they weren't made for battle boards like this. We all have ideas about how powerful Samus is, but she doesn't actually have many quantifiable feats of strength/speed/power output/etc.It's very difficult to argue for her, unless its against an obviously human or so character.
The point I was ready to make was that Dark Samus showed that she/he/it had the power to destroy an entire planet. Of course, this followed defeat at the hands of Samus, but that just comes to show that Samus is more than capable of standing up to someone with that kind of power.
Either way, Here's what I can tell about both combatants. The positives, that is. Forgive me if I miss anything about Akuma because I likely will. In which case, help me fill in the gaps. I do want to be fair about this.
Akuma's edge:
Grand physical superiority
Greater natural power output
More experience and training in hand-to-hand
Unimpeded access to ki reserve.
Samus' edge:
Larger arsenal of greater variety
Superior intelligence
Greater tactician and strategist, applying a more analytical approach to combat
Chozo training at a young age results in improved cognition, reflexes, and athleticism
More extreme survival experience
Originally posted by stargun
Sorry but that's completely out of context. The phazon reserves within that planet was what caused it to self-destruct after Aurora was eliminated. Dark Samus itself never had that much energy stored into its body to use in combat.
Dark Samus drew power infinitely from those reserves, used it against Samus, and Samus still won. I'm not aware of Akuma ever harnessing the power of an entire planet and throwing it at anyone.
As I said before it doesn't matter where a certain character draws energy from, what's truly important is what the character in question can do with it (i.e feats). None of Dark Samus' attacks have ever been shown to have the power to level an island or even one-shot a battleship the same way Akuma did, not even when it merged with AU 313.
Then again, Dark Samus never absorbed the whole planet's worth of phazon into its body, nor is there any evidence that it could somehow channel all of the planet's energy into a single attack to use against Samus. That never happened.
Originally posted by Sacred 117can I use this
Either way, Here's what I can tell about both combatants. The positives, that is. Forgive me if I miss anything about Akuma because I likely will. In which case, help me fill in the gaps. I do want to be fair about this.Akuma's edge:
Grand physical superiority
Greater natural power output
More experience and training in hand-to-hand
Unimpeded access to ki reserve.Samus' edge:
Larger arsenal of greater variety
Superior intelligence
Greater tactician and strategist, applying a more analytical approach to combat
Chozo training at a young age results in improved cognition, reflexes, and athleticism
More extreme survival experience
Originally posted by stargun
As I said before it doesn't matter where a certain character draws energy from, what's truly important is what the character in question can do with it (i.e feats). None of Dark Samus' attacks have ever been shown to have the power to level an island or even one-shot a battleship the same way Akuma did, not even when it merged with AU 313.Then again, Dark Samus never absorbed the whole planet's worth of phazon into its body, nor is there any evidence that it could somehow channel all of the planet's energy into a single attack to use against Samus. That never happened.
I'm no longer making a case for types of energy sources. My point now pertains to how much energy they can draw from that source. Even Akuma has limits to how much energy he can use at a time. Dark Samus was basically rising without measure. That she didn't use that power to destroy a battleship doesn't stand to reason that she is unable to do so. I honestly don't see it being much of a problem from her/him/it. It is, however, unfortunate that we have never seen that because that would've been awesome to see a demonstration of DS's full potential. :/
I never said she/he/it (<I still can't quite tell) expelled all of that energy at once. The problem with that is that it and be nigh impossible to do so, especially without destroying her/him/itself AND the planet as both are pure manifestations of phazon.
Originally posted by Chad Nossmen
can I use this
Uhh... sure.