Originally posted by -Pr-
Kryptonian heat vision goes through other Kryptonians all the time. It's not some kind of low showing.
Agreed. But only when the Kryptonian is not holding back (like Zod for instance). Superman holds back (to not kill) as to why we hardly ever see his HV penetrate other beings.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I personally do think Prime is overrated in the sense that people think he's a legit "PC level Kryptonian" (which in of itself is a loaded term as PC levels don't automatically mean incredibly absurd power levels) and far and away beyond Superman. Generally, sure, I'd give Prime an edge due to his no holding back, but hell, I really don't think any of his power displays as being out of Kal's league - minus his showings to Kryptonite and magic.
Pretty much.
Originally posted by h1a8
Agreed. But only when the Kryptonian is not holding back (like Zod for instance). Superman holds back (to not kill) as to why we hardly ever see his HV penetrate other beings.
Aye, and even then we've seen it go through someone like Despero, for example.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Has Superman ever manipulated the weather on a global scale and summoned forth the power of hundreds of worlds worth of storms? Or absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy? Or generated anti-matter? Or teleported to other realms and dimensions under his own power? Or created indestructible whirlwinds? Or manipulated matter?WTF, man.
You forgot manipulating magnetic fields and even gravity 😛
But yeah Superman's still more versatile because of his speed 😮
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman didn't tank that Sun Eater explosion. He wasn't even directly hit by the electromagnetic shockwave. That being said, tanking those Red Solar energy blasts as he did is pretty impressive.Thor doesn't have any feats exactly of that nature (He doesn't posses any real weakness like that) but something like tanking a blast that contained the totality of Glory's power is something I find as impressive:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory7.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory8.jpgSuperman should be more invulnerable than Thor (The gap is closer than ever nowadays from what I've seen) but the Odinson is one of the few characters that can tank an energy blast or a punch as well as Clark.
With the whole Durability thing, I think Thor can handle energy attacks better with the aid of Mjolnir.. And redirect them much better.. Without Mjolnir Id give it to Supes..
Thats just energy based attacks Im talking about though.
And I agree its hard to compare durability feats when bringing up Superman tanking red sun radiation and/or kryptonite attacks.
Originally posted by "Id"
Didn't Superman pull off the same feat on a bloodlusted/crazed Kyle?
Originally posted by "Id"
Found it.
Impressive, although I wasn't questioning Superman's durability, but Jake's stance.
For the record, Thor has shrugged off Surfer's attacks before:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer10.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer13.jpg
In their original fight, Surfer was greatly amped by Loki and it still took 5 blasts to just momentarily down Thor:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight3.jpg
It was revealed that Thor was just holding back when Sif was in danger and he was fine:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight5.jpg
It should be noted, Loki was trying to kill Thor by influencing Surfer's hands.
Thor's worst showing against Surfer is still a great showing. 😛
Originally posted by cdtm
Lets go through his list and see what I can remember:
I don't trust your memory. You always try to downplay superman against any DC guy.
It happened during the Time and Time Again storyline, where he was infused with some kind of chronal energy, and bounced through time by being at the center of explosions. Even relatively small scale explosions would send him through time, so it could be argued he only endured a fraction of the full power of a Sun Eater collapsing, although personally I think it's still an impressive feat.
"Impressive" is an understatement. His body was still in flames and his cape was torn although he was wearing a spacesuit.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/adventuresofsuperman477fe6.jpg
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The wall was destroyed when during the fight between Infinity Man and ALE Mr. Miracle, while Supes was contained in an energy barrier. Not a straight durability feat at all.
Oh really
"Source did not protect you from it like me and scott." Next time read something before commenting on it, please.
It wasn't a pile of Green K sand like he's making it sound, only sand laced with Green K. Energy leeching sand, though, set up by the Master Jailor, so it's a legit feat.
You just forget to add that he was fighting for days non-stop with nearly every super-villain on earth and before that took on Bizzaro, Mongul, Silver Banshee simultaneously.
He's probably talking about when Earth 2 Supes and himself tackled Superboy Prime through a red sun in Infinite Crisis. I suspect the other time he's talking about is the pre Death of Superman story where Eradicator, as an energy being, was turning Earths sun red. Supes was only on the very outer corona of the sun, and it messed him up pretty badly.. The best you can say about it is he survived, but only just.
Really, it was pounding from eradicator which messed him so badly not his trip to the sun
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/117/supermanv2057p37zd9.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/adventuresofsuperman480fu8.jpg
Considering that he was nearly killed by a yellow sun recently in Superman:exile, it's a hell of a feat. The feat with SBP was even more insane because they went through the krypton's asteroid belt which was abundant with kryptonite and crashed on Mogo from orbit.
Supes was also bigger than the sun, and Joker was wrecking havok with the laws of physics (He removed the color "white" from existence, for one.) And Superman also died as a movie character, and "Earth Born Angel" Supergirl survived some lethal attacks in a cartoonish fashion..... Basically, anything that happened in that arc was suspect, given the nature of Jokers powers and how he was playing with reality at whim.,
Pure speculation, Joker himself was surprised how he was alive
Give some scan to validate your theory, being big or how some other character survived doesn't invalidate that he was alive even though his heart was torn asunder from his chest. He was also cut to pieces in JLA 77 and was still alive.
]He usually runs like hell from Omegas, and Orion nearly killed him with Astro Force bubbles, and knocked him out in another example. And he wouldn't try killing Superman anyways.
He has walked through omegas in countdown and has tanked astro force three times, King of the world, DONG where orion said he wouldn't rest untill superman is killed and here
Earlier Malefic nearly killed Barda in guise of superman and taunted
orion. The only time Orion koed superman was a weaker superman and even then it was a surprise shot
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supes-orion01.jpg
"He has surprised me twice". I don't think we can take in account Orion's boasting that he could kill Kal with astro force if he didn' restrained himself. It's just a boasting, nothing more nothing less.
I haven't read their post reboot fight yet, but in Superman/Batman he was struggling against Hal.
Considering he was just attacked by Titano's kryptonite rays and Hal sucker shotted him and he was just trying to calm him and Hal was bloodlusted, he didn't struggle at all. He just took everything and didn't have a scratch on him.
Scans were recently posted of this. You can judge for yourself.
Yes where Batman said that the construct could stop earth with a thought and was after Heaven's ladder and how the construct's disbelief was pretty evident after he failed to even stop superman, you can judge yourself.
Eh. The wizard Shazam was trying to exorcise Eclipso from him, The PC Kryptonians are really the Pocket Universe Kryptonians with little proof they're even at true PC power levels, Superboy Prime is Superboy Prime (Meaning whether you consider Superman taking his attacks PIS or legit depends on whether you think SBP is all that), the multiple Gogs certainly weren't anywhere near the power level of Gog from "The Kingdom", the amped Infinity Man clearly wasn't trying to kill him and easily restrained him when he realized Supes couldn't be reasoned with....
So shazam was exorcising him with sprinkles, wasn't he? Billy said he would kill superman. Anyway shazam is a legitimate skyfather and superman tanked several of his lightning attacks after tanking two shazam bolts from Captain marvel himself. Why didn't you nitpick on Blaze, Disciple or Circe? Don't try to be ignorant, pocket dimension superboy was created because Byrne ****ed up with Legion history which was not touched in COIE. He went with every adventure which PC superboy went with legion. He even breached The Iron Curtain of time by Time trapper which not even PC superman could. There is no proof whatsoever that he wasn't with power of PC superboy. Superman doesn't have a single full fight with SBP. He took his punches in SCW, LO3W and when he was Time trapper and was not koed a single time. Considering a single Gog was enough to give superman trouble and at the time superman was aging rapidly, losing power and having a heart-attack it's a damn good feat.
Really
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07b.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07c.jpg
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Superman was physically beating him and It doesn't matter anyway because even classic Infinity man was stronger than Orion
There's some good feats in there, and quite a bit of hyperbole and trumping up of feats imo..
There is nothing hyperbolic here, everything I says is backed by scans or Issue numbers. Stop downplaying him, there are already many who downplays him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Has Superman ever manipulated the weather on a global scale and summoned forth the power of hundreds of worlds worth of storms? Or absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy? Or generated anti-matter? Or teleported to other realms and dimensions under his own power? Or created indestructible whirlwinds? Or manipulated matter?WTF, man.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually Jake, superman has created lightning storms against Livewire by his freeze breath, absorbed anti-sun which could wipe half the galaxy, vibrated to transport a planet to another dimension, sang and erased darkseid, has used IMPs, tuned his HV to affect shadow beings of Qward, has turned intangible or invisible, he has created tornadoes strong enough to make captain atom, john stewart and power girl helpless, has used astral projections (not t-vo) among other things. I know Thor is more versatile but superman is not out of tricks.
u are misrepresenting the anti-sun Galaxy feat. Superman did not absorb the energy needed to wipe out half a galaxy, he interrupted and absorbed the detonation sequence and the energy that was required to set off such a feat iirc.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61051/1743519-supesgeddon30nr_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37815/775790-supesgeddon48fq_super.jpg
If Superman could absorb such power he wouldnt need to sit inside a sun for a sundip like he has in the past.
-Strength: edge to Superman
-Striking Power (with Mjolnir): definitely Thor (or should be, IMO).
-Striking Power (without Mjolnir): edge to Superman
-Blasting Power: Thor
-Raw Speed: Superman
-Combat Speed: Superman
-Durability: Superman
-Damage Soak: Thor
-Combat Smarts: Superman
-Great Hyperbolic Statements: I'm inclined toward Thor because of his "Old English" way of speaking. It just kind of invites hyperbole.
In my opinion, this list favors Superman because it leaves out abilities Thor can do well, eg, energy manip.
Originally posted by Mindship
-Strength: edge to Superman
-Striking Power (with Mjolnir): definitely Thor (or should be, IMO).
-Striking Power (without Mjolnir): edge to Superman
-Blasting Power: Thor
-Raw Speed: Superman
-Combat Speed: Superman
-Durability: Superman
-Damage Soak: Thor
-Combat Smarts: Superman
-Great Hyperbolic Statements: I'm inclined toward Thor because of his "Old English" way of speaking. It just kind of invites hyperbole.In my opinion, this list favors Superman because it leaves out abilities Thor can do well, eg, energy manip.
i agree with all of this except damage soak which i would call a draw or give supe's a slight edge in..... oh and hyperbolic statements--no one matches superman in this regard. maybe you misunderstood the category? i'm pretty sure it refers to statements made by OTHERS (or narration) ABOUT the character in question. 🙂
"i agree with all of this except damage soak which i would call a draw or give supe's a slight edge in..... oh and hyperbolic statements--no one matches superman in this regard. maybe you misunderstood the category? i'm pretty sure it refers to statements made by OTHERS (or narration) ABOUT the character in question."
-- leonidas
(I'm on a crappy work computer which doesn't display the quote function, so I have to do it this way).
Regarding the damage soak: my impression is that Superman is actually harder to hurt than Thor. But once either is hurt, I think Thor is harder to fully shut down, so to speak. But this is just an impression.
Regarding the hyperbole: I stand corrected, in which case, yeah, Supes takes it, cuz he's the Damn Icon of the genre.
Originally posted by MindshipRegarding the damage soak: my impression is that Superman is actually harder to hurt than Thor. But once either is hurt, I think Thor is harder to fully shut down, so to speak. But this is just an impression.
Regarding the hyperbole: I stand corrected, in which case, yeah, Supes takes it, cuz he's the Damn Icon of the genre.
What you're saying is this:
Invulnerability: Supes > Thor
Damage Soak: Thor > Supes
Most people agree.
I'd say Superman in general is just so unused to actually being seriously hurt that it's more of a shock to him than it would be to someone like Thor. I mean, he gets knocked around, breaks the odd bone, but he's only gone through the most life threatening stuff on rare occasions.
That said, when he has, he's done admirably, like the heart-attack incident.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Speaking of versatility, has thor ever "cauterized" a hole in space-time or "rubbed his hands together" to produce static electricity and closed a hole in space-time?😏
^ Everytime he opens a portal it is a door through space time. And producing electricity is Thor's game..
Supes versatility is basically different ways he can apply his primary powers of strength, speed, heat vision and freeze breath..
Whilst Thor's versatility list ARE his primary powers.
You wnt win the versatility argument abhilegend 😛
