Originally posted by JakeTheBankpsychological edge wasn't the reason HP whupped supe's ass
It took place after Hunter Prey and while his power varies from time to time, it was intended to be the same creature who killed Superman and was his ultimate enemy.Doomsday's psychological edge over Kal doesn't exist anymore.
unless you claim HP DD also had a psychological edge that allowed him to pummel the living snot out of Darkseid
Originally posted by Starscream M
psychological edge wasn't the reason HP whupped supe's assunless you claim HP DD also had a psychological edge that allowed him to pummel the living snot out of Darkseid
The psychology behind Superman and Doomsday played a big role in Hunter Prey. Look at the name of the story, for instance. It completely implies exactly my point about how Superman regarded DD.
Not at all. I completely agreed that DD was a physical beast. But that same level of physicality just isn't as impressive when compared to the Superman of today, pre-reboot.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankPertaining to the 'Holy Trinity' (ie. Superman, WW, Batman)...
Which is partly what I'm saying.Barring plot device amps and hyperbole and focusing on actual feats, Superman does tends to shine better on his own than if he's with the JLA or a bunch of Kryptonians, etc. He's not exclusive to this, but it's something cataloged in comics. Call it inverse ninja rule or whatever, but that tends to happen a lot.
-Morgaine-
"The moment our three targets appear, the others immediately defer to them."
-Enigma-
"No surprise there. It's in their essential nature to dominate any setting."
-Morgaine-
"The other two defer to Superman. They have left the alien creature to him while they tend to their fellows..."
-Enigma-
"In a situation like this? Please. Of course they're going to let him take point. Experience tells them it's the most sensible thing to do."
...It's in Superman's essential nature. Gotta love it.
Originally posted by Galan007
Pertaining to the 'Holy Trinity' (ie. Superman, WW, Batman)...-Morgaine-
"The moment our three targets appear, the others immediately defer to them."-Enigma-
"No surprise there. It's in their essential nature to dominate any setting."-Morgaine-
"The other two defer to Superman. They have left the alien creature to him while they tend to their fellows..."-Enigma-
"In a situation like this? Please. Of course they're going to let him take point. Experience tells them it's the most sensible thing to do."...It's in Superman's essential nature. Gotta love it.
Word, which I again agree with. All I'm saying is that he has actual feats in combat and fighting powerful foes to justify him taking on team busters in addition to flowery prose and hyperbole, which he has lots of. To that end, I don't think we disagree at all, really.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAgreed. That's why Superman's ability to beat an opponent should never be used as a baseline, imo.
Word, which I again agree with. All I'm saying is that he has actual feats in combat and fighting powerful foes to justify him taking on team busters in addition to flowery prose and hyperbole, which he has lots of. To that end, I don't think we disagree at all, really.
For instance, just because Superman beat Dominus doesn't mean I think of Dom as any less of a high-level cosmic being. Etc.
Originally posted by killer_creedNo. Desaad was in H/P alongside Darkseid. none
I think it's worth noting that the Doomsday vs Darkseid encounter in Hunter/Prey was retconned to show that it wasn't actually Darkseid. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, it wasn't even an avatar of Darkseid. It was Desaad impersonating him.
Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed. That's why Superman's ability to beat an opponent should never be used as a baseline, imo.
absolutely. it ties in to another discussion re: the iconic nature of a character. the stature of said character (in this case superman, in the other case batman) is an integral part OF the character, and i think it needs to be viewed as such. (and no, that does NOT mean we ignore on-panel proof, but these ARE characters, and to get a complete view the character needs to be viewed in ALL contexts, imo.)
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus-Mxy-
The DC Formula: Superman =/> Batman > Everything else.
...The death of one, or both, of the aforementioned unhinges the very fabric of creation. Makes me laugh.
Originally posted by Galan007
-Mxy-
"Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything. No matter what time or Universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted... You can call it a cataclysm, or an apocalypse, or a crisis--it upsets my life in the 5th dimension... And that ticks me off":...The death of one, or both, of the aforementioned unhinges the very fabric of creation. Makes me laugh.
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choke on that logan fans! heh
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Originally posted by Galan007
-Mxy-
"Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything. No matter what time or Universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted... You can call it a cataclysm, or an apocalypse, or a crisis--it upsets my life in the 5th dimension... And that ticks me off":...The death of one, or both, of the aforementioned unhinges the very fabric of creation. Makes me laugh.
That feat shits on pretty much everyone else.
Originally posted by Galan007
-Mxy-
"Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything. No matter what time or Universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted... You can call it a cataclysm, or an apocalypse, or a crisis--it upsets my life in the 5th dimension... And that ticks me off":...The death of one, or both, of the aforementioned unhinges the very fabric of creation. Makes me laugh.
Thor's still more awesome.
arrrgh
