HP Doomsday vs Zeus HTH

Originally posted by Stoic
The well never once changed the way their powers worked, it just amplified their powers, so in Betty's case that is exactly what it did

Changing Betty's powerset came up because you didn't believe a wishing well that did showed not limitations in what it could do could change Betty's powerset.And no it didnt just emplify their powers it gave them new abilities lets start with Foom he was given the power to take over the world he burned a portal to earth from the dark dimension he does not have that ability.

He ate and absorbed gamma bombs started surging with their energy and started shooting gamma energy again not an ability he has Bi Beast Wendi-go became giant.So Yeah they were given new abilities and power-sets were changed. All of which was simply done magically

Originally posted by Stoic
Rulk over heated when he faced Thor and Savage Hulk due to the amount of power that he absorbed, WB Hulk was generating considerably more power than what took Rulk to turn into putty. How can I be sure that the HOTM Hulk was outputting more power than that time? Well look at the comic, and judge for yourself.

I dont think you have an example because this is not it the reason Rulk overheated was from his rage unlike Bruce the madder he got the hotter he got a weakness even he didn't know he had.

So basically you have no example of Rulk overheating when absorbing energy.And no reason to think that Betty would need her limits increased. What you do have is a peak Rulk taking what he wanted from banner and given him his best and Banner still showing that even with absorbtion he was not his match.

i think HP DD takes it to zeus, then zeus takes off the gloves and shows this D.C. tally wacker what a true skyfather can do.

HP eventually gets owned but he fairs MUCH better then hulk did and im not taking anything away from HULK.

1. Can you be 100% sure that Fin Fang Foom's basic powers were changed? Amplified yes, but were they given new abilities like the ability to erase a time line, or rearrange matter?

Bi-Beast was more powerful as was Wendigo, but this did not change the way their powers worked.

Fin Fang Foom devouring gamma bombs in no way shows that he was incapable of doing this same thing prior to the arc. Unless you can show a time that he attempted this, and was turned into a pulsating boil in the attempt. He's a fire breathing dragon, the gamma bombs were simply used to increase his flames output. Again this does not show me how it changed the way his basic powers worked. I can't explain him breaching the dimension, and know too little about Foom to make a solid comment on this feat.

Would Rulk have overheated from getting angry alone if he was not juiced up on Asgardian magic, and extra solar/gamma energy? I don't think so. in all of his appearances, and in all of his other fights he was angry, and yet did not over heat. Do you think that his anger for the Hulk surpassed his anger for the Abomination, whom he thought killed Betty his own daughter? If not why didn't he overheat that time?

I see your point, but perhaps you might see mine as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
You should be careful when you say shared, unless you want to appear ignorant to how a Red Hulk's powers work. If you have a problem with what I just stated, you might want to go back and read all issues of the Hulk pertaining to this subject, and what the Leader, and Modok mentions on this subject.

It was a shared feat. Betty was amped to be Hulk's exact equal in power; it would have been an eternal stalemate.

That being said, it's still a very impressive feat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was a shared feat. Betty was amped to be Hulk's exact equal in power; it would have been an eternal stalemate.

That being said, it's still a very impressive feat.

So Betty was not siphoning gamma energy from the Hulk? Is this what you believe? Do we throw the way a Red Hulk's power works out of the window? Or perhaps it's a little bit of both?

Originally posted by Stoic
So Betty was not siphoning gamma energy from the Hulk? Is this what you believe? Do we throw the way a Red Hulk's power works out of the window? Or perhaps it's a little bit of both?

The story was pretty clear, she was magically enhanced to be Hulk's exact equal. If energy absorption was in play, it was never referenced or hinted upon as I recall. And at the level they were operating, it would have made no actual difference, assuming she's half as capable in that department as Rulk was.

I have no clue where you got the idea that her energy absorption was responsible for her performance. Stop being such a Gamma f*g, the scene is impressive enough as it is, no need to dig like this.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
That was me messing with Carver hence the Family Man Hulk I am quite aware of what happened in the fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The story was pretty clear, she was magically enhanced to be Hulk's exact equal. If energy absorption was in play, it was never referenced or hinted upon as I recall. And at the level they were operating, it would have made no actual difference, assuming she's half as capable in that department as Rulk was.

I have no clue where you got the idea that her energy absorption was responsible for her performance. Stop being such a Gamma f*g, the scene is impressive enough as it is, no need to dig like this.

You calling me names changes nothing, Until the writer comes forth, and says that she was not siphoning off of the Hulk to keep pace, and that the Well changed the very way that their powers worked, you could be wrong, or you could be right, or you could be partially right. You have no right to bash my stance, when I have a 100% right to think this way. if you can't see this, perhaps you aren't trying to. I'm just going on how a Red Hulk's powers work. How foolish is it for me to cling to this idea? Do you see why I have taken this stance?

Superior tech could be partially right, as could you, but i may be as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
You calling me names changes nothing, Until the writer comes forth, and says that she was not siphoning off of the Hulk to keep pace, and that the Well changed the very way that their powers worked, you could be wrong, or you could be right, or you could be partially right. You have no right to bash my stance, when I have a 100% right to think this way. if you can't see this, perhaps you aren't trying to. I'm just going on how a Red Hulk's powers work. How foolish is it for me to cling to this idea? Do you see why I have taken this stance?

Superior tech could be partially right, as could you, but i may be as well.

it's not foolish, i just don't think it was supported in that particular arc. with the power of the wish working, i'm pretty sure we readers were meant to disregard the red hulk powers. just my opinion.

Originally posted by Stoic
You calling me names changes nothing, Until the writer comes forth, and says that she was not siphoning off of the Hulk to keep pace, and that the Well changed the very way that their powers worked, you could be wrong, or you could be right, or you could be partially right. You have no right to bash my stance, when I have a 100% right to think this way. if you can't see this, perhaps you aren't trying to. I'm just going on how a Red Hulk's powers work. How foolish is it for me to cling to this idea? Do you see why I have taken this stance?

Superior tech could be partially right, as could you, but i may be as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
1. Can you be 100% sure that Fin Fang Foom's basic powers were changed? Amplified yes, but were they given new abilities like the ability to erase a time line, or rearrange matter?

Bi-Beast was more powerful as was Wendigo, but this did not change the way their powers worked.

Fin Fang Foom devouring gamma bombs in no way shows that he was incapable of doing this same thing prior to the arc. Unless you can show a time that he attempted this, and was turned into a pulsating boil in the attempt. He's a fire breathing dragon, the gamma bombs were simply used to increase his flames output. Again this does not show me how it changed the way his basic powers worked. I can't explain him breaching the dimension, and know too little about Foom to make a solid comment on this feat.

Would Rulk have overheated from getting angry alone if he was not juiced up on Asgardian magic, and extra solar/gamma energy? I don't think so. in all of his appearances, and in all of his other fights he was angry, and yet did not over heat. Do you think that his anger for the Hulk surpassed his anger for the Abomination, whom he thought killed Betty his own daughter? If not why didn't he overheat that time?

I see your point, but perhaps you might see mine as well.

Foom is not capable of opening portals so yes I am 100% sure and it did not increase his flame because it was not flame it was gamma energy.

I am going by what the comic tell me the fact that they don't play up this weakness going forward is irrelevant to that point.Your building your whole case on something that has never happened.

I do get what your saying I do but the only way that I would be open to this point is if you could provide me with an example of him overheating from it and I know none exist.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's not foolish, i just don't think it was supported in that particular arc. with the power of the wish working, i'm pretty sure we readers were meant to disregard the red hulk powers. just my opinion.

We all need clarification on the feat, as it is not completely out of the realm to think that Betty was siphoning off of Bruce to keep up. Remember one prime thing. The Hulk's strength is always changing.

Wendigo and Bi-Beast were given the power to match the Hulk at a point, but as we all saw, he changed from that one moment to being above what was given to them by that same Well in question.

Can you see my reasoning?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thats not how things work. You cant just assume she was siphoning 😐. Also nowhere was it stated that they actually destroyed a universe. Realm doesnt = universe. I guess King Arthurs knights were protectors of the universe?

what what?...they were in the dark dimension right?...dimensions are universes

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thats not how things work. You cant just assume she was siphoning 😐. Also nowhere was it stated that they actually destroyed a universe. Realm doesnt = universe. I guess King Arthurs knights were protectors of the universe?

Where in this thread did I say that a universe was destroyed in the conflict? I asked Kurupt Thanosi if he could prove a word of his statement. Right? Can you prove that the Universe was not destroyed? As for what I think. I didn't see enough solid evidence to disprove either thought.

Originally posted by bbrem123
what what?...they were in the dark dimension right?...dimensions are universes

Take a look at what Umar says when she references her realm.She is not even talking about the entire damn planet much less the entire dark dimension.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech

Take a look at what Umar says when she references her realm.She is not even talking about the entire damn planet much less the entire dark dimension.

I'm not going to assume anything from this post, but will simply ask you. Do you think that the conflict failed to destroy the planet? is this what you are saying?

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not going to assume anything from this post, but will simply ask you. Do you think that the conflict failed to destroy the planet? is this what you are saying?

We saw one destroyed on panel what I am saying is that she when talks about her realm she does not mean the entire dark dimension.

Originally posted by bbrem123
what what?...they were in the dark dimension right?...dimensions are universes

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
We saw one destroyed on panel what I am saying is that she when talks about her realm she does not mean the entire dark dimension.

1. How much of the Dark Dimension does Umar own? This may be a very good question if you follow me.

2. There was simply not enough clarification in the story to jump to one conclusion over the other.

3. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we were all quite correct, and if we put all of our theories together and reached a median, that we could possibly have the entire truth.

Originally posted by Stoic
You calling me names changes nothing, Until the writer comes forth, and says that she was not siphoning off of the Hulk to keep pace, and that the Well changed the very way that their powers worked, you could be wrong, or you could be right, or you could be partially right. You have no right to bash my stance, when I have a 100% right to think this way. if you can't see this, perhaps you aren't trying to. I'm just going on how a Red Hulk's powers work. How foolish is it for me to cling to this idea? Do you see why I have taken this stance?

Superior tech could be partially right, as could you, but i may be as well.

Cry me a river, I call it how I see it.

Betty was glowing/crackling with energy like the Hulk before they even made contact and that huge shockwave occurred as a result of the very first exchange.

The comic made it very clear, Betty was just as powerful as the Hulk -due to the wishing well- and would stalemate him for Eternity.

You can think whatever you like ultimately.