Originally posted by juggerman
as soon as Blade stabbed Nomak he fell over cuz he was too exhausted to stand. no way he would have won had it continued
He was exausted but he was able to walk well while Nomak couldn't stand after getting stabbed and for Nomak pulling the sword out wouldn't be that eay considering itwas already next to his heart and if Blade saw Nomak was going to continue then adrenaline would kick in and Blade would finish the job.
He was exausted but he was able to walk well while Nomak couldn't stand after getting stabbed and for Nomak pulling the sword out wouldn't be that eay considering itwas already next to his heart and if Blade saw Nomak was going to continue then adrenaline would kick in and Blade would finish the job.
Blade could have kicked it in right after he stabbed him if he were able to. Blade wouldnt leave Nomak alive if he had a choice so that means he couldnt finish it then.
Nomak decided to laugh and then talk before pushing it in farther and even more time passed before Blade finally stood up. there is no reason to believe Blade had the energy to even stand before he finally did.
he allowed Nomak to put his hands on the sword (and since mind reading isnt one of Blades powers he had no idea Nomak was going to off himself) meaning he really couldnt stop Nomak from pulling it out
Quite clear Blade has worn himself out and Nomak went out by choice
Originally posted by sun wukongoku
You are missing my point Blade had enough energy in him to even pick up Nomaks sister and walk about while Nomak was crawling on the ground he was even hurt so much when he simply moved his cloth near his stab wound. Nomak isn't just going to pull it out in seconds like a toothpick in a sandwich, if Blade saw Nomak try to pull it out he would've up and jump kicked it in or shove it in knowing he would be his last chance.
Oh I got your point 6 months ago. Blade was exhausted after thrusting that blade into Nomak and fell. Nomak had close to a full minute to reflect on life. lolz. you mistake the length it took to kill himself as pain, where it was in fact his realization that now was the time to kill himself and did the deed considering he achieved his mission.
In a forum battle combatants fight to the end. No psychological reason to want to commit suicide. He would've torn that blade out through flesh and sinew. And healed completely within 2 seconds. Then finished Blade off. Blade had no weapons left after that. Blade won through what we call PLOT.
I was right from the start. Be a man and admit Nomak would have had no probs tearing that thing out considering he tanked hundreds of bullets from assualt rifles and his children tanked amazing blows that would've killed Blade dead in his tracks.
The Reapers were an incredible species. And it's not overrating a character by knowing what they were capable of by seeing their feats on screen. The fact that Nomak was an awesome character is no reason to assume all people who like him overrate him either.
Oh yeah and your point of Blade picking up the sister whilst Nomak stuggled on the ground never happened.
Originally posted by Lestov16
YouTube videoQuite clear Blade has worn himself out and Nomak went out by choice
If Blade was so worn out then he wouldn't have been able to stand up and pick up Nomaks sis into the sunlight. Nomak did go out by choice but he was also crawling.
Originally posted by juggerman
Blade could have kicked it in right after he stabbed him if he were able to. Blade wouldnt leave Nomak alive if he had a choice so that means he couldnt finish it then.Nomak decided to laugh and then talk before pushing it in farther and even more time passed before Blade finally stood up. there is no reason to believe Blade had the energy to even stand before he finally did.
he allowed Nomak to put his hands on the sword (and since mind reading isnt one of Blades powers he had no idea Nomak was going to off himself) meaning he really couldnt stop Nomak from pulling it out
You may need to look at the begining of the fight because Nomak took much time pulling the sword out and since it was next to his heart it's possible it would've been more painful.
Blade still had energy otherwise he wouldn't have stood up. With Blades preserved energy and Nomak taking time to pull out his sword plus the addition of adrenaline (Finish the fight or your dead!!) Blade would use all his strenght and push the sword in further knowing Nomak would pull it out, it doesn't matter if Blade is a mind reader if he see's Nomak try to pull it out he has six seconds to react and since it was made clear Blade still had energy left in him to walk I believe he would've done it.
Blade did have preserved strenght Nomak was suppose to be stronger than him yet when he was about to bite Blade he grabbed his jaw and overpowered him with headbutts and grappling then plunging his sword in him.
If it were any other vampire (Save Drake) the fight would've ended alot sooner.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Oh I got your point 6 months ago. Blade was exhausted after thrusting that blade into Nomak and fell. Nomak had close to a full minute to reflect on life. lolz. you mistake the length it took to kill himself as pain, where it was in fact his realization that now was the time to kill himself and did the deed considering he achieved his mission.In a forum battle combatants fight to the end. No psychological reason to want to commit suicide. He would've torn that blade out through flesh and sinew. And healed completely within 2 seconds. Then finished Blade off. Blade had no weapons left after that. Blade won through what we call PLOT.
I was right from the start. Be a man and admit Nomak would have had no probs tearing that thing out considering he tanked hundreds of bullets from assualt rifles and his children tanked amazing blows that would've killed Blade dead in his tracks.
The Reapers were an incredible species. And it's not overrating a character by knowing what they were capable of by seeing their feats on screen. The fact that Nomak was an awesome character is no reason to assume all people who like him overrate him either.
Oh yeah and your point of Blade picking up the sister whilst Nomak stuggled on the ground never happened.
"Oh yeah and your point of Blade picking up the sister whilst Nomak stuggled on the ground never happened."
What are you talking about how long has it been since you saw Blade 2?
Blade had enough energy to pick up Nyssa and walk into the sunlight and if Nomak was truly stronger than Blade how come Blade was able to grab his mouth before he was going to get bitten and headbutted him then grappling his sword into Nomak.
As I see it Nomak lost more strenght than Blade during their fight and Blade kept up enough strenght so in terms of Strenght Nomak wins hands down but in terms of Endurance and Skill Blade has Nomak beat.
You need to take these facts into account it doesn't matter how much Nomak and his children can take what happens in the fight is in the fight alone.
Explain to me how is Nomak winning yet at the end of the fight when he was about to bite Blade he couldn't overpower him and took headbutts plus couldn't outgrapple Blade when he was stuck by his sword then fell to the ground and was crawling. You believe he could simply pull out the sword and kill Blade and Blade was more worn out than him but truth is Nomak was more worn out than Blade since a sword just got thrusted near his heart and Blade still had strenght because if he was just as exausted as Nomak he wouldn't be able to stand up and walk.
I've been telling you this but you are ignoring it and stuck with "He could've pulled out the sword and regenerated just like that."
As I see it you are never going to listen to me not because you believe I'm wrong but because you want to believe what you want to believe.
Blade heals quickly but it isnt instant i think we can agree here yes?
Nomak and the reapers heal much faster yes?
so Blade falling from exhaustion while Nomak fell from a stab wound probably means Nomak was winning before he was stabbed.
Closing his mouth isnt really showing Blade to be stronger or as strong since Nomak probably didnt expect Blade to do that and was unprepared. plus Blade has shown he has the strength required to hurt Nomak so that isnt too impressive
fact is Nomak reached for the sword and even touched the sword and Blade did nothing to stop him and as Blade wouldnt think Nomak was going to off himself the only other logical answer was he was going to pull it out and still Blade did nothing. that points very clearly to him not having the strength yet to move.
he did get up and carry the girl but he got up slowly showing his strength was just returning and having a HF it returned quick enough for him to walk a carry a woman without effort but he was still weak
there is nothing showing Blade had the energy to "quickly move over to Nomak and shove the sword in" at all since he couldnt move quickly.
you seem to be very biased since you are assuming Blade could do things that the movie clearly shows him not able to do due to being weakened by the fight
without Nomak wanting to die Blade loses
Originally posted by sun wukongoku
"Oh yeah and your point of Blade picking up the sister whilst Nomak stuggled on the ground never happened."What are you talking about how long has it been since you saw Blade 2?
Blade had enough energy to pick up Nyssa and walk into the sunlight and if Nomak was truly stronger than Blade how come Blade was able to grab his mouth before he was going to get bitten and headbutted him then grappling his sword into Nomak.
As I see it Nomak lost more strenght than Blade during their fight and Blade kept up enough strenght so in terms of Strenght Nomak wins hands down but in terms of Endurance and Skill Blade has Nomak beat.
You need to take these facts into account it doesn't matter how much Nomak and his children can take what happens in the fight is in the fight alone.
Explain to me how is Nomak winning yet at the end of the fight when he was about to bite Blade he couldn't overpower him and took headbutts plus couldn't outgrapple Blade when he was stuck by his sword then fell to the ground and was crawling. You believe he could simply pull out the sword and kill Blade and Blade was more worn out than him but truth is Nomak was more worn out than Blade since a sword just got thrusted near his heart and Blade still had strenght because if he was just as exausted as Nomak he wouldn't be able to stand up and walk.
I've been telling you this but you are ignoring it and stuck with "He could've pulled out the sword and regenerated just like that."
As I see it you are never going to listen to me not because you believe I'm wrong but because you want to believe what you want to believe.
You have the comprehension skills of a worm. You wrote "Blade picked up the sister whilst Nomak was struggling on the ground."
Watch the video! Whilst Nomak is burning up Blade is laying on his ass.
You are simply the worst kind of troll.
1- You were wrong about Nyssa being held whilst Nomak died.
2- I've supllied evidence of Nomak's healing capabilities. Yet you ignore them. Then say I never listen to you.
3- Nomak had the strength to easily slip the blade into his heart, whereas Blade stuggled to even get it in. Blade was exhausted on the ground after using his remaining strength to keep Nomak from biting him and shoving the blade into him. That answers your strength point.
4- Sure the blade hurt but that isn't why Nomak stopped for so long. He said "What is this?" He was contemplating the fact that now he had a way out. And that time was now. It wasn't the fact that he was tired and full of pain.
Answr each of these points because the only person repeating themselves and ignoring others points is you.
Originally posted by juggerman
Blade heals quickly but it isnt instant i think we can agree here yes?Nomak and the reapers heal much faster yes?
so Blade falling from exhaustion while Nomak fell from a stab wound probably means Nomak was winning before he was stabbed.
Closing his mouth isnt really showing Blade to be stronger or as strong since Nomak probably didnt expect Blade to do that and was unprepared. plus Blade has shown he has the strength required to hurt Nomak so that isnt too impressive
fact is Nomak reached for the sword and even touched the sword and Blade did nothing to stop him and as Blade wouldnt think Nomak was going to off himself the only other logical answer was he was going to pull it out and still Blade did nothing. that points very clearly to him not having the strength yet to move.
he did get up and carry the girl but he got up slowly showing his strength was just returning and having a HF it returned quick enough for him to walk a carry a woman without effort but he was still weak
there is nothing showing Blade had the energy to "quickly move over to Nomak and shove the sword in" at all since he couldnt move quickly.
you seem to be very biased since you are assuming Blade could do things that the movie clearly shows him not able to do due to being weakened by the fight
without Nomak wanting to die Blade loses
Since you are more civilized than Ninjak I will be as polite as I can.
Nomak wasn't winning before he was stabbed I don't know how you could've thought of that Nomak was beating Blade more seriously but the fact is if he couldn't have the strenght to bite Blade than that means he lost alot of strenght in the fight he couldn't even counter grapple blade nor fight back once Blade had a hold of him at that point.
Please do not say I am biased when you clearly are by underrating Blade's strenght not only that but you are completely ignoring important facts a reaper is supposedly stronger than a vampire yet when Nomak was having fun beating Blade around for some reason he couldn't have the strenght to bite Blade and all this was after he was seriously injuring Blade.
If you believe Blade stopping Nomak from biting him doesn't show Blade's strenght how about when Lighthammer couldn't overpower a reaper when he was grabbed does that mean the reaper isn't stronger than Lighthammer? So a Reaper is suppose to be stronger than a vampire yet a half vampire managed to overpower the leader of the reapers before he was bitten.
The only logical answer to Blade being able to overpower his reaper rival Nomak is that he had preserved strenght and Nomak was worn down. One of Nomaks children was able to walk with half his body plus his groin cut off yet when Nomak was stabbed he fell to the floor crawling. You are also ignoring the fact it takes time for Nomak to pull down the sword plus he wore down his strenght in the fight that he couldn't bite Blade and finally just because a reaper heals fast doesn't mean he can't be worn down.
You need to stop trying to dodge the facts I've put out and stop downplaying Blade I have great respect for Nomak but I've watch the fight scene many times. Claiming Nomak would just simply pull out the sword is not as easy as you think about it. Nomak was worn down he either couldn't pull out the sword or he needed time to pull it out you cannot dodge this and you cannot dodge the fact Blade still had some remaining strenght and it doesn't take seconds to recover from a fight like that.
Originally posted by the ninjak
You have the comprehension skills of a worm. You wrote "Blade picked up the sister whilst Nomak was struggling on the ground."
Watch the video! Whilst Nomak is burning up Blade is laying on his ass.You are simply the worst kind of troll.
1- You were wrong about Nyssa being held whilst Nomak died.
2- I've supllied evidence of Nomak's healing capabilities. Yet you ignore them. Then say I never listen to you.
3- Nomak had the strength to easily slip the blade into his heart, whereas Blade stuggled to even get it in. Blade was exhausted on the ground after using his remaining strength to keep Nomak from biting him and shoving the blade into him. That answers your strength point.
4- Sure the blade hurt but that isn't why Nomak stopped for so long. He said "What is this?" He was contemplating the fact that now he had a way out. And that time was now. It wasn't the fact that he was tired and full of pain.
Answr each of these points because the only person repeating themselves and ignoring others points is you.
You are the most uneducated kind of troll there is.
1.) Can you not see it didn't even take a minute for Blade to get back up and pick her up after Nomak died. If Blade was out of energy he wouldn't be able to recover in seconds.
2.) Reapers are stronger than Vampires yet a half Vampire overpowered the Reapers leader before he could be bitten after getting kicked to a steel door, punched several feet away, chopped in the neck, repeatedly slammed in the ribs to the point of coughing blood, and thrown across the room. Heal factor or not Nomak fell to the ground and was crawling while Blade recovered his remaining strenght just second after Nomak killed himself.
3.) Just around one second after Blade saw Nomak kill himself he stood up if Blade was just as exausted as Nomak he would be laying down on his ass much longer. It's doesn't mean that if Nomak wanted to continue the fight he could just pull the sword out like it's nothing. Remember Nomak did more damage to Blade in the fight yet The Reaper didn't have the strenght to bite the half Vampire which means Nomak would've been worn out to not overpower a half vampire didn't one of his children walk away with his groin split in half up to his stomach?
4.) He accepts death that doesn't mean if he decided to continue the fight he could easily pull out the sword he couldn't even bite Blade after once again getting him, kicked to a steel door, punched him several feet away, chopped him in the neck, repeatedly slammed him in the ribs to the point of coughing blood, and threw him across the room. Nomak was exausted before he fought Blade it took him time to pull out his sword and this time it was next to his heart.
You can keep trying but your delusions are not facts I've explained it to you more than enough you should be able to get it now Nomak showed more signs of lost strenght than Blade.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nomak spent the majority of the fight kicking the tar out of Blade, and was definitively superior in hand to hand combat. He was definitely winning the fight.And yes, I have watched the fight more than once.
Nomak is superior to Blade only in strenght if you take a look at when Nomak was going to bite Blade you can see Blade preserved his strenght more so Blades advantage is endurance.
ok sun what makes you think that Blade could have stopped Nomak from pulling the sword out when he made no attempt to stop Nomak from grabbing it in the first place? and im sure Blade wouldn't think that Nomak was killing himself so the only logical answer was that he was about to remove it yet Blade didn't even try to move
From his showings Blade isn't the type of person to let his enemies recover and/or live if he is able to do something about it so that fact that he let it happen shows me that he could do nothing to stop Nomak.
I've given you my reason why i think Blade didn't attempt to stop Nomak (because he couldn't) now what is the reason that you think he could have but didn't?
And i don't really think the arguement "well he got up later so he had his strength the whole time" works here
Originally posted by the ninjak
The epitome of blind fanboyism if there ever was one.You answered my questions incorrectly, as expected. Have fun in your box.
It's sad that every single unbiased poster also has seen the evidence and completely disagrees with you.
You know the secret to revealing you are a troll by claiming false BS along with delusions.
You use alot and I mean alot of false BS "every single poster" you do realize only you and juggerman replied to me after I gave you the same information these "posters got."
Not saying they agree with me but you two are indeed the only ones that have disagreed and replied.
You are not the delisional nice guy you put yourself out to be and if I answered your questions incorrectly how come you aren't explaining.
Originally posted by juggerman
ok sun what makes you think that Blade could have stopped Nomak from pulling the sword out when he made no attempt to stop Nomak from grabbing it in the first place? and im sure Blade wouldn't think that Nomak was killing himself so the only logical answer was that he was about to remove it yet Blade didn't even try to moveFrom his showings Blade isn't the type of person to let his enemies recover and/or live if he is able to do something about it so that fact that he let it happen shows me that he could do nothing to stop Nomak.
I've given you my reason why i think Blade didn't attempt to stop Nomak (because he couldn't) now what is the reason that you think he could have but didn't?
And i don't really think the arguement "well he got up later so he had his strength the whole time" works here
You are acting as if Nomak can pull out the sword very easily. It's clear Nomak wore out his strenght since he couldn't even bite Blade after severly damaging him during the fight. If Nomak had strenght he would've been able to kill Blade you said Nomak had better healing than Blade and Nomak would've still been standing if he still had strenght.
Add this to the first time Nomak tried to pull the sword out. Don't be like Ninjak he is not a martial artist he can't tell fight scenes.