Cyborg Superman vs Gladiator

He's the Scott Steiner of debating.

Originally posted by cdtm
I just reread Trial of Superman. Cyborg Supermans something of a beast in it, taking out all three Reign stand ins within two pages (He one shot KO's Eradicator!), plus pocket universe Supergirl.

And he even takes out Superman in a single attack. He's possessed by Tribunal Prime when it happens, but there's no hint of a powerup (In fact, Tribunal Prime even says "I have your durability.. And as I recall, I'm even more powerful than you are), so it sounds like all Cyborg Superman.

The screwy thing, is only an issue before that Hank jacks into the Tribunals planet and hits Supes with all the energy he can sap from the planetary grid. Superman survives it (City busting power levels, easily, and I'd imagine more than that..), and than beats Hank into the ground. That was under L. Simonson, and the next issue was by Jurgens, so not sure if this is simply two different writers disagreeing about power levels? It's pretty poor form either way, basically having the arc contradict itself within two issues that probably came out within the same week..

Originally posted by quanchi112
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You know its true...

Henshaw is a BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His feats in combat are far beyond those of Gladiators; with his frail pysche, Gladiator would fold like paper against Doomsday...

Henshaw, on the other hand, mans up and takes it to him...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman's proven himself capable of defeating Henshaw on other occasions, no?

Superman can beat pretty much anyone if the situation is critical enough...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman's proven himself capable of defeating Henshaw on other occasions, no?

Supes has dealt with him, but nothing as blatant as the beatdown in Trial of Superman. Actually, they fought three times in Trial, under three different writers, with it going back and forth the first time, Supes stomping him the second (After separating him from the planetary power grid), and a mind possessed Cyborg stomping him the third. The fight from Return of Superman might look like a straight stomp for Supes, but remember Eradicator fried him pretty badly before. In Hunter/Prey, Supes was amped and still couldn't keep Hank down, until Darkseid finally stepped in.

Originally posted by cdtm
Supes has dealt with him, but nothing as blatant as the beatdown in Trial of Superman. Actually, they fought three times in Trial, with Hank holding his own the first time, Supes stomping him the second (After being separated from the planetary power grid), and a mind possessed Cyborg stomping him the third. The fight from Return of Superman might look like a straight stomp for Supes, but remember Eradicator fried him pretty badly before. In Hunter/Prey, Supes was amped and still couldn't keep Hank down, until Darkseid finally stepped in.

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Hen-SHAW!!, Hen-SHAW!!, Hen-SHAW!!!!!

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Superman can beat pretty much anyone if the situation is critical enough...

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same can be said of any hero.

Superman is generally more than most, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman is generally more than most, though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He also has a lot of help and the point of the story is for the heroes to win eventually.

He does it on his own more often than not.

So? What does that have to do with anything?

Originally posted by -Pr-
He does it on his own more often than not.

So? What does that have to do with anything?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That it isn't a valid reasoning for a versus thread. Superman wins because he is Superman isn't a valid reason.

I never said it was.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I never said it was.

I just uploaded every Cyborg Superman fight from Trial.

First, how he does against the three other Supermen from Reign of the Supermen (Plus pocket universe Supergirl).

Goes through them like a hot knife through butter. And Eradicator alone could probably give Gladiator a tough fight.

Now, onto the Cyborg Superman vs Superman fights. Round 1:

"You weren't listening!" 😂

Looks like Hank more than held his own, and he had some nice durability feats, including bouncing right back after getting fried, while Supes ended up KOed after enduring less of a jolt.

Contrast with round 2:

Hank takes over the entire planet, and burns down the neighborhood. Actually a pretty fun story for Cyborg Superman, but also kind of kills Hanks credibility since he can't even kill Supes with a planets worth of power backing his attacks.

And than, the VERY NEXT ISSUE....

So Superman goes from shrugging off attacks backed by a power grid designed to power a techno planet, to getting one shot KOed by an eye blast? O_o

Now, granted, this was Tribunal Prime jacking Cyborg Supermans body, so technically it's not Hank doing this to Superman. But, it's still purely all Hanks power. There's zero proof the body jacking somehow amps him, and even if it did, it's highly unlikely he'd be more amped than when he jacked into the planetary grid..

Looks like this turned into a Cyborg Superman respect thread. 😄

But I think it proves that on average, Hank is a serious threat.

I doubt anyone could seriously claim otherwise, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I doubt anyone could seriously claim otherwise, tbh.

I'd like to know what Jurgens was thinking, out of the three different writers.. Does he really put Hank that far above Superman? I'd like to think he was still hurting from the last fight, but the way Jurgens wrote it makes me suspect whether he even knew what was written in the last arc.. ^_^;

Originally posted by cdtm
I'd like to know what Jurgens was thinking, out of the three different writers.. Does he really put Hank that far above Superman? I'd like to think he was still hurting from the last fight, but the way Jurgens wrote it makes me suspect whether he even knew what was written in the last arc.. ^_^;

Well, obviously, Hank was intended to be the most powerful of the Supermen who replaced Kal during his "death". And Jurgens' view isn't all that extreme considering Hank has Kal's DNA, giving him the Kryptonian powerset (which in of itself, I feel is inferior to Kal's, but enough for him to take notice) as well as Hank's technopathy, which is probably the best in comics.

I'd say Hank's degree of technopathy + even a watered down Kryptonian power set (which I don't think is that watered down in comparison to Kal's as it is based off of his own DNA) should match Superman at least.