Originally posted by The Sorrow
It was one attack that destroyed Onslaught, it wasn't one attack that killed Surfer was my point.Cool so you agree Hulk's striking feat is superior 👆
Invisible woman, Cyclops and Thor all managed to crack the armor individually and Thor actually flew in and destroyed the backside of the armor on his own.
Hulk did worse against Zeus than Thanos against Odin.
Originally posted by Stoic
Concerning Gladiator, and him being completely dominated by a weakening Hulk that was far below his HOTM power levels.Powers
Superhuman Strength: Gladiator possesses tremendous physical strength, the exact limits of which are unknown. [b]He is one of the physically strongest beings to exist in the Universe
as he has shattered planets with the mere force of his blows, and can collapse entire Stars with his level of strength. His strength level is dependent on his confidence; as such the more confident he is, the stronger he gets. He has demonstrated several astounding feats of strength such as defeating Colossus with relative ease, matching Hulk's strength in battle, overpowering Hyperion and knocking him unconscious by breaking his back, and even managing to hold his own for an extended period of time against Thor. Hence, Gladiator is ultimately able to lift somewhere far in excess of 100 tons.Food for thought? [/B]
Thanos would eat Gladiatior for breakfast and than take on Silver Surfer and face an all out Thor before washing it down with Coffee. before heading to asgard and getting complimented by Odin in his abilities. 😉
Originally posted by Nietzschean
no. cause Onslaught armor wasnt shown to be anything special in durability.Invisible woman, Cyclops and Thor all managed to crack the armor individually and Thor actually flew in and destroyed the backside of the armor on his own...he would have physically been thrashed.
Hulk did worse against Zeus than Thanos against Odin.
I disagree and Zeus and Odin fought Hulk and Thanos differently. Zeus physically beat the hell out of Hulk...Odin blasted Thanos. Thanos durabiliy against blasting power is off the chain but if he fought someone like Zeus...it would have been a lot different imo.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
not really since his power fluctuates on his confidence and the fight he had with Hulk was dependent on context of a nuclear reactor and exploiting his super hearing.Thanos would eat Gladiatior for breakfast and than take on Silver Surfer and face an all out Thor before washing it down with Coffee. before heading to asgard and getting complimented by Odin in his abilities. 😉
It's kind of funny that for any other character to have beaten Gladiator, no one ever calls PIS and in this case CIS, but will always be very quick to scream low-ball. Gladiator was whipped in that contest. Was there any dialog that ever stated that he had lost confidence? There comes a time when you just have to stop with the double standards.
Originally posted by The SorrowOnslaught wasn't a skyfather being. Thor was even depowered at the time and there were no real heavy hitters. I definitely see Thor destroying that physical shell if he went all out and was at full power. It was just an elite top tier feat. Thor has done far better than that.
Stomping an unsuspecting high herald in 9 attacks is more impressive than overpowering and destroying the body of a skyfather+ being in 3 blows? Lol. Do you think Thanos could casually stomp Onslaught too?
Thanos easily owning someone is far more impressive than koing yourself and doing something elite top tierish.
Originally posted by Stoic
It's kind of funny that for any other character to have beaten Gladiator, no one ever calls PIS and in this case CIS, but will always be very quick to scream low-ball. Gladiator was whipped in that contest. Was there any dialog that ever stated that he had lost confidence? There comes a time when you just have to stop with the double standards.
there is no double standard. if you read the fight u know exactly what happen.
no other character powers work the way Gladiators work aside from Sentry.
it fluctuates to greatly for story purposes.
I wouldnt think Lex is in superman lvl strength b/c he uses kryptonite to back his punches. just like i dont assume Hulk is at optimum confidence gladiator lvl.
although, I will agree that Hulk could seriously hurt guys like Superman who have superhearing if he Thunderclaps his ears and get a win that way. but, that isnt solely a physical beating.
Originally posted by carver9When the Banner part of his mind was shut down and on top of that he ko'd himself. Koing yourself and needing someone else to make you feral isn't as impressive as you want it to be and is outside of what he can do on his own.
That's a weaker form of Onslaught. The stronger form...everyone failed to bust through his forcefield and also failed at damaging him. When Hulk was unleashed...he ripped through Onslaught forcefield and ripped a more powerful Onslaught to shreds.
Originally posted by carver9I have the comic, i know what happen. Onslaught raised a forcefield and none of the Heroes could get through it to harm Onslaught.
That's a weaker form of Onslaught. The stronger form...everyone failed to bust through his forcefield and also failed at damaging him. When Hulk was unleashed...he ripped through Onslaught forcefield and ripped a more powerful Onslaught to shreds.
the only one who made the attempt to physically hurt Onslaught was Rogue and Vision when they merged but even combined their strength isnt comparable to the two ppl being mentioned here.
Savage Hulk can beat Superman and its insane thinking that he can't. Savage Hulk can beat Gladiator and its insane thinking that he couldn't. Savage Hulk can beat Thor and its insane thinking that he couldn't. Stop underestimating Hulk. His fts should be enough proof that he packs enough power to knock any top tier the hell out...especially when we have top tier struggling against beings far weaker than Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
I have the comic, i know what happen. Onslaught raised a forcefield and none of the Heroes could get through it to harm Onslaught.the only one who made the attempt to physically hurt Onslaught was Rogue and Vision when they merged but even combined their strength isnt comparable to the two ppl being mentioned here.
So you can show me Thor damaging a more powerful version of Onslaught?
Hulk was the only being capable of ripping through his forcefield when the entire planet failed.
Your post was moot. That's all I'm trying to let you know.
Originally posted by carver9And those top tiers are also capable of knocking out the Hulk. They are all in the same class and fully capable of harming/koing each other.
Savage Hulk can beat Superman and its insane thinking that he can't. Savage Hulk can beat Gladiator and its insane thinking that he couldn't. Savage Hulk can beat Thor and its insane thinking that he couldn't. Stop underestimating Hulk. His fts should be enough proof that he packs enough power to knock any top tier the hell out...especially when we have top tier struggling against beings far weaker than Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9Thor damaged Exitar and Galactus beings far more powerful and impressive than Onslaught. Thor didn't ko himself and need someone else's help to fire him up to do so.
So you can show me Thor damaging a more powerful version of Onslaught?Hulk was the only being capable of ripping through his forcefield when the entire planet failed.
Your post was moot. That's all I'm trying to let you know.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When the Banner part of his mind was shut down and on top of that he ko'd himself. Koing yourself and needing someone else to make you feral isn't as impressive as you want it to be and is outside of what he can do on his own.
That was Mindless Hulk and Mindless Hulk fails in comparison to modern day Hulk. He didn't ko himself...it was much more than physical might that was involved in that battle.
Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk can beat Superman and its insane thinking that he can't. Savage Hulk can beat Gladiator and its insane thinking that he couldn't. Savage Hulk can beat Thor and its insane thinking that he couldn't. Stop underestimating Hulk. His fts should be enough proof that he packs enough power to knock any top tier the hell out...especially when we have top tier struggling against beings far weaker than Savage Hulk.
if we use pure top feats for them all. Hulk couldnt physically beat the actual herald lvl beings who destroy planets without having to be enraged to get stronger.
beings who destroy stars, planets, and face cosmic entities on a regular bases.
Originally posted by carver9Yes, his actions ko'd him. I agree mindless Hulk isn't as impressive but mindless Hulk's feat is just an elite top tier feat. Nothing more.
That was Mindless Hulk and Mindless Hulk fails in comparison to modern day Hulk. He didn't ko himself...it was much more than physical might that was involved in that battle.