Originally posted by JakeTheBankwell, neither will thor be clear headed. my point is, superman doesn't get a disadvantage being angry vs thor.
He's less effective in the sense that he's not thinking clearly and utilizing his abilities in top form, which, going by comics, is true. He won't be counter vibrating or using his senses to the best of his ability or mixing up ice breath and heat vision with melee strikes like a master brawler. He's going to, more than likely, just attempt to beat the shit out Thor with his bare hands.
Originally posted by Starscream M
well, neither will thor be clear headed. my point is, superman doesn't get a disadvantage being angry vs thor.
No, Thor won't be clear headed, but the advantages Superman typically enjoys over Thor won't mean much, if anything, in this fight. Thor still boasts greater striking power as well as the added advantage of a magic weapon. That's without factoring in true Warrior's Madness, assuming he enters that state.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No, Thor won't be clear headed, but the advantages Superman typically enjoys over Thor won't mean much, if anything, in this fight. Thor still boasts greater striking power as well as the added advantage of a magic weapon. That's without factoring in true Warrior's Madness, assuming he enters that state.
Thor's supposedly greater striking power only comes from his mighty slams. He must sit there and whirl the hammer for a while to build up sufficient speed then come down with a slam. Not to disrespect Thor but this is an eternity for Superman. If Thor has any hope of striking Superman then it must be with quick jab like strikes. Superman's strikes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor's jab like hammer strikes.
Thus Thor wouldn't hit harder than Superman. Plus Superman is a lot stronger. But strength doesn't matter more than the speed issue.
Trust me, Thor being not terribly fast like Superman makes things more fair for him in comics. Otherwise he would be unbeatable by any herald.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's supposedly greater striking power only comes from his mighty slams. He must sit there and whirl the hammer for a while to build up sufficient speed then come down with a slam. Not to disrespect Thor but this is an eternity for Superman. If Thor has any hope of striking Superman then it must be with quick jab like strikes. Superman's strikes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor's jab like hammer strikes.Thus Thor wouldn't hit harder than Superman. Plus Superman is a lot stronger. But strength doesn't matter more than the speed issue.
Trust me, Thor being not terribly fast like Superman makes things more fair for him in comics. Otherwise he would be unbeatable by any herald.
No, he doesn't have to do that. He's struck with unbelievable force without going off in his typical tirade like lines of dialogue or fancy mannerisms. He's unleashed powerful torrents of energy and weather manipulation without needless Shakespearean dialogue. Thor doesn't have to do any of that shit in a fight but he does because it looks and sounds cool. Comics support that.
Superman is going to get hit by Thor. That's the reality of the situation. Comics support that as well.
If Thor was given explicit superhuman speed in the vein of Superman, I guaren-f'n-tee you he'd still be in the same tier of power and he wouldn't be this unstoppable herald you think he would be with it. Considering I've read virtually every Thor issue from his various ongoings as well as his appearances in the Avengers and other books, you can trust me when I say that speed isn't this crippling disadvantage to Thor and it wouldn't be this godlike boon for him if he had it, either.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThor never struck harder than what Superman is capable of without whirling the hammer first.
No, he doesn't have to do that. He's struck with unbelievable force without going off in his typical tirade like lines of dialogue or fancy mannerisms. He's unleashed powerful torrents of energy and weather manipulation without needless Shakespearean dialogue. Thor doesn't have to do any of that shit in a fight but he does because it looks and sounds cool. Comics support that.Superman is going to get hit by Thor. That's the reality of the situation. Comics support that as well.
If Thor was given explicit superhuman speed in the vein of Superman, I guaren-f'n-tee you he'd still be in the same tier of power and he wouldn't be this unstoppable herald you think he would be with it. Considering I've read virtually every Thor issue from his various ongoings as well as his appearances in the Avengers and other books, you can trust me when I say that speed isn't this crippling disadvantage to Thor and it wouldn't be this godlike boon for him if he had it, either.
Reading comics and knowing logic is two different things. If one is frozen in time (or stuck in slow motion) then he is completely defenseless. Or if one character can move more than 6ft before another can move 1in then the first character is defenseless.
Thor has feats against single attacks from more than 10m away. I can hit a 90mph baseball from 60ft away. But I couldn't hit two coming at me from 5 ft away. And I certainly can't hit 5 coming at me from all angles (on my side, in back of me, etc.). Get my point?
Superman is not going to get hit by Thor if he blitzes him at the bell. He will simply combo him to death (not let up since he's bloodlusted) for the easy win.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The one time I have seen Superman insane with rage as he would be here was during Sacrifice. He'd be less effective under this stipulations then he would be if he was enraged but clear headed.And no, Superman's speed advantage wouldn't trump Thor's energy projection advantage. Especially if we take into account his versatility (Ultimately irrelevant, as I'm not doing it here).
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You don't think Superman stomps, do you?
Superman takes it, a pissed off superman will have nothing but kill as hard and as FAST as he can his opponent, thor cant handle such speed advantage he just cant, 20 - 30 shots from an all out superman going full speed ready to kill will take thor out of the game like it or not, i have seen thor losing many sluging out fights like the recent one he is not going to tank superman not holding back punches.
Originally posted by -Pr-he's also demonstrated to reach much greater power when angry and not holding back that far outweighs his less clear mind (ie against imperiex, and against darkseid, when superman is enraged, he's a beast)
How would I be? He's been made less effective by making him angry, because that's not how the character operates.
Originally posted by Starscream M
he's also demonstrated to reach much greater power when angry and not holding back that far outweighs his less clear mind (ie against imperiex, and against darkseid, when superman is enraged, he's a beast)
eh, no. He wasn't enraged against Imperiex; in fact it was stated in the comics that when he was clear minded with no emotion whatsoever, he was at his most dangerous.
Against Darkseid, he's done better when he's been calm in almost every fight (Supergirl being the only exception, and even then he wasn't all ragey).
And then there's the Elite. And Ending Battle. Brainiac. Zod. Wonder Woman. J'onn. Despero. Mongul. Dominus, even.