I just love Conservative logic and the fact that they aren't even burying the lead about being neo-feudalists anymore. First you deregulate business and weaken the unions creating a situation where hiring of illegal immigrants becomes easier since the justice system is focused on workers and not employers and workers have a hard time policing themselves. Then you sign free trade agreements and create tax policies which ship job overseas, shrinking the demand for domestic labor while simultaneously ignoring burgeoning overseas and domestic demand for American-Made goods (especially in China!). The effect along with a well timed financial collapse is a large labor surplus with job growth kept artificially low. The conservative solution? Deporting all illegals while eliminating the very concept of retirement, legalizing child labor, utilizing prison labor for-profit, and signing new free trade agreements with Colombia, Panama, and South (and therefore, through their labor exchange, North) Korea. Thereby further shrinking the demand for labor while vastly increasing the labor force to every American between the ages of four and eleventy. And now HB 56 is declared a success in lowering unemployment because illegal workers are being replaced by dubiously legal prison labor? I guess it makes sense if you consider the increasing frequency of judges and illicit collections agencies using improper procedures to circumvent federal law and sentence debtors to prison. They're technically still in the labor force, right?
This is the logical equivalent of treating AIDS by ****ing virgins.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
It is the inevitable conclusion of our interactions.This is what I love about leftists. They cry and whine about evil Republikkkans ruining America for the sake of corporate profits...and then they go on about how cheap labor costs for large corporations are good for everyone else. Doublethink, how does it work?
PROTIP: I wouldn't pay $3.75 for an apple. And neither would most anyone else. Ergo, demand would drop and prices would lower until they were acceptable to the consumer.
I'm not a "leftist".
"Corporate America" doesn't really have a Left or Right angle, haven't you figured that out yet?
The "$3.75" was an obvious exaggeration. You dodged the question though. You'll happily take the benefits(lower prices) that illegal cheap labor provides as a consumer, yet shit on said labor force. Hypocrisy in the works.
Prices would still increase due to overhead from wage increases, just a fact.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not a "leftist".
I strongly disagree with this claim about yourself. Your political leanings indicate that you are definitely a leftist.
Many of the political thoughts you express are in some way "egalitarian" ones.
Unless you're being a smartie.
Keep in mind that you have stated to be a moderate in the past and I am aware of such statements.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I strongly disagree with this claim about yourself. Your political leanings indicate that you are definitely a leftist.Many of the political thoughts you express are in some way "egalitarian" ones.
Unless you're being a smartie.
Keep in mind that you have stated to be a moderate in the past and I am aware of such statements.
I for my part am admittedly now closer to the left on the political spectrum than I am to the right, but that doesn't mean I embrace leftist ideology or consider myself a liberal.
I'm still a registered Republican, I still think the Democratic Party is a collection of waffling failures and pushovers.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Maybe he just disagrees with the idea of labeling someone because they share certain opinions with a defined political group.I for my part am admittedly now closer to the left on the political spectrum than I am to the right, but that doesn't mean I embrace leftist ideology or consider myself a liberal.
I'm still a registered Republican, I still think the Democratic Party is a collection of waffling failures and pushovers.
Everyone hates labels because they think it "locks them down" to certain ideas. That's not true. Being a leftist leaves lots of wiggle room. You could be a "strong leftist (ultra left)", "center leftist", or even anarchy.
Generally, I think most of the GDF KMC is some form of left, including myself. I am probably center leftist, though. I want some form of economic inequality in society...but I don't like it to be extreme like it is in Russia and the US. This is why I consider myself mostly a moderate.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I strongly disagree with this claim about yourself. Your political leanings indicate that you are definitely a leftist.Many of the political thoughts you express are in some way "egalitarian" ones.
Unless you're being a smartie.
Keep in mind that you have stated to be a moderate in the past and I am aware of such statements.
I am about as far Right as I am Left. politically.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In what ways are you right?(Because I have no seen one thing you stated to be "right"😉
Some of my stances on abortion, Welfare, Political Correctness and the 2nd Amendment can be seen as Right-leaning more-so than Left, to name a few.
Now I'd appreciate getting back on topic and no more of these Ad Hominems.
Originally posted by Robtard
Some of my stances on abortion,
Some, not all. Your overall stance is quite left. Just because you want some couples to take responsibility for their actions, doesn't mean that you are a bible thumping conservative.
Originally posted by Robtard
Welfare,
What is your stance on Welfare? Cause a true left finds taxes to be "bad", not good. It is a necessary evil on the path to a "clean" and "pure" society. Are you forgetting about Marxists?
Originally posted by Robtard
Political Correctness
Political correctness? How...Well, if you're for the freedom to say whatever you want that would not be PC, then that's left.
Originally posted by Robtard
and the 2nd Amendment can be seen as Right-leaning
I'm talking about in general, not in the US. Gun ownership argument. Technically, gun control is a "right" issue. It is only the US that has skewed what that means to where the left supports gun control. A true "left" is for responsible but quite liberal gun freedom. Keep in mind that the further left you go, the closer to anarchy you get (the good kind).
Originally posted by Robtard
more-so than Left, to name a few.
Other than abortion, I don't see you supporting your case, very well.
Originally posted by Robtard
Now I'd appreciate getting back on topic and no more of these Ad Hominems.
Thinking that you're being attacked when there is nothing wrong with being called leftist on a board full of college educated political philosophers is hardly an insult. I just did not find your denial of "leftist" to be apt. More like you were denying it to spite a poster that thinks calling someone "leftist" is an insult.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Some, not all. Your overall stance is quite left. Just because you want some couples to take responsibility for their actions, doesn't mean that you are a bible thumping conservative.What is your stance on Welfare? Cause a true left finds taxes to be "bad", not good. It is a necessary evil on the path to a "clean" and "pure" society. Are you forgetting about Marxists?
Political correctness? How...Well, if you're for the freedom to say whatever you want that would not be PC, then that's left.
I'm talking about in general, not in the US. Gun ownership argument. Technically, gun control is a "right" issue. It is only the US that has skewed what that means to where the left supports gun control. A true "left" is for responsible but quite liberal gun freedom. Keep in mind that the further left you go, the closer to anarchy you get (the good kind).
Other than abortion, I don't see you supporting your case, very well.
Thinking that you're being attacked when there is nothing wrong with being called leftist on a board full of college educated political philosophers is hardly an insult. I just did not find your denial of "leftist" to be apt. More like you were denying it to spite a poster that thinks calling someone "leftist" is an insult.
this has a lot to do with the current and projected u.s. job market. thanks for sharing.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
this has a lot to do with the current and projected u.s. job market. thanks for sharing.
It does. Understanding where each side is coming from is important when discussing how the left or the right is viewing job creation and unemployment problems.
Actually, it is fundamental to the conversation because it shows us where each side is coming from and where labels are sometimes wrong.