Originally posted by abhilegendHector towards the end was nigh if not outright cosmic level... I wouldn't consider him a feasible character for even trans level teams to fight when he was at his peak. It would be like telling a team of Heralds to face down a full starheart Alan or a future Mordru. Just not reasonable to use in a team fight.
We are not talking about hector as he was at the end of his career, then this match would be spite. I am talking about his early and learning process portrayals.
Re: JLA vs. JSA
Originally posted by aztec
Geoff Johns Justice Society vs. Dc's greatest heroes.1. In character
2. Bloodlusted1. Superman
2. Wonderwoman
3. Hal Jordan
4. Barry Allen
5. Zatannavs.
1. Captain Marvel
2. Powergirl
3. Sentinel
4. Jay Garrick
5. Dr. Fate (Hector)
Well, most matchups are going to favor the JLA team. Superman and Captain Marvel is more or less a push, Wonder Woman has the edge on Power Girl as of their last fight, Hal has the strong edge on the habitually under performing Sentinel in every incarnation but one, Jay is badly outclassed by Barry.
But Hec being Dr. Fate in a post Fate mini series incarnation, could well tip the scales in the JSA favor.
On the other hand, earlier versions of the character might very well lose out to the more capable, more experienced Zatanna.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
She could hold her own against the rookie Hector. The same Hector who was taking it to Mordru, not so much. Z's good, but she's always been just a step or two (or several) behind Fate. Alan packs more power than Hal by a good deal. Hal himself has admitted he doesn't want to fight Alan, and with the power of the Starheart at Alan's command, I don't blame him. Alan's gotten progressively more powerful as time progressed, and there was a time that Hal could hang with him, but that time has since passed a while ago.I'm pretty familiar with both the issue and both characters. Diana used her superior skill to beat Karen who was mind controlled. She has the better feats, yes, but in a direct comparison against the two as far as strength and speed was concerned, Karen was given the nod that she was at least her equal. I'm not assuming anything, but stating what was said and shown. Physicality is a wash between the two, but Diana is the better fighter and has gear to further slide things in her favor.
Fate and Alan tips things in favor for the JSA, imho.
Once again, I have to disagree with you. Although, I consider Hector the superior of the two, it isn't by a large margin. From what I've gathered Hector was doing well in Geoff Johns run, however, Nabu was screwing with the Helmet. Yes, he pulled pretty crafty feats, but nothing Zatanna hasn't accomplished: teleportation, flight, strength, durability, spells etc.. As mentioned before, Zatanna was able to knock out Starbreaker a suneater, who was pounding the entire Justice League. Sure, she didn't take him out completely, but nevertheless, was able to harm him. In Blackest Night, Zee was also able to counterattck her father's spells, when he was posses by a Black Lantern ring.
Jordan has progressively improven aswell. Let's not forget that Alan has a hard time with Black Adam. 😈
Once again, Diana dominated Karen when she wasn't holding back. Powergirl was unable to land a single punch when Diana used her superior speed, maneuvarability and martial arts. If I remember correctly, Karen came rushing in and started pummeling Diana. Inevitably, Diana realized that Karen was under mind control and faced her head on.
Can you name a couple of examples where Hector is greater than Zatanna? I'm not doubting you, just haven't read all of his apperances. I own four trades of Geoff John's run on the JSA. I have yet to read the whole run, but I'm liking it better than Morrison's JLA.