Ironfist runs the Street Fighter gauntlet

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, that Kikosho would probably take him out of the fight. It's more than what Fat Cobra took him out with.

And the SF characters, especially Akuma and Bison, are super-tough as well.

Huh? 'Pure intent' strikes?

I've never even heard of those, and the Udon comics don't mention them.

When those two have pure hearts and goals, they fight harder, but I'll note neither have ever beaten Bison one on one.

Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to find them.

And IF has taken much more than what FC did.

And most of the time, what FC did will take him down. That he has a few outliers doesn't change that, powerful hits from martial artists with enhanced stats *will* cause major damage to him.

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't Ryu beat him in SF2 movie?

Different continuity.

To give you an idea, in the Alpha games, Bison at his peak fought:
All 13 dolls including Cammy. Ken and Sakura at the same time until Ryu showed up after breaking mind control (possibly with Sagat on Ryu's side there too) and he decided to retreat (since he had already lost Ryu as a potential subject). Rose, who kinda-sorta 'died'. And finally Charlie, Guile and Chun-Li at the same time, with Charlie sacrificing his life to hold off Bison so the others could escape.

All in a row, on the same day, without rest in between. He's stronger in Alpha than he is during SF2 itself, but still.

Ryu is considered to have the potential to be uber tier, which is why Bison and Akuma want him, but potential in the sense of 'down the road'. Akuma wants him to unlock his dark power precisely because he feels without it, Ryu won't be able to reach his level (though in the games, this is eventually proved wrong).

In the Udon comics, it's definitely still 'potential to fight Bison and Akuma, but definitely not yet on the same level' stage. Rose lost to Bison and she's the one who flung him through an office building hard enough to collapse it.

Originally posted by the ninjak
HUH? Gen. The Chinese master of Chun Li. Yun and Yang. Gen defeated Akuma in the Adon series once but when Akuma returned for a rematch Gen had cancer and barely could fight.

Most of the time IF can take superhuman hits and keep fighting. It's not an outlier.

You weren't talking about the udon cont.

In SF Alpha neither Ken nor Ryu are as strong as they are now.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
aw shit, i only have the "re-match" (with a leukemia ravaged gen)uploaded. i have to find the comic for the fight when gen beat a young gouki

Cheers Psycho.

Originally posted by Q99
Huh? 'Pure intent' strikes?

I've never even heard of those, and the Udon comics don't mention them.

When those two have pure hearts and goals, they fight harder, but I'll note neither have ever beaten Bison one on one.

I was refering to the Street Fighter V animated series. I know it's not canon though.

Originally posted by Mindset
Most of the time IF can take superhuman hits and keep fighting. It's not an outlier.

He can take *some* hits, but they hurt. He can't ignore them or shrug them to the point that they don't matter like you're implying.

He took hits in the Fat Cobra fight, but it's perfectly in line with his normal performance for him to go down after repeated hits.

Taking superhuman hits is normal for his opponents too.

You weren't talking about the udon cont.

That's the main one we're using in this thread.

We can mention other ones for comparison, but it's the Udon comics versions- wherein Ryu's well behind Bison- that's actually fighting.

In SF Alpha neither Ken nor Ryu are as strong as they are now.

Yes, but they were still pretty strong, and there were a whole ton of fighters there, including Charlie, who's stronger than Ryu himself.

He can take a lot of superhuman hits and keep fighting...

No, it wasn't, did you read the ninjak post you replied to?

Charlie isn't stronger than Ryu.

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, that Kikosho would probably take him out of the fight. It's more than what Fat Cobra took him out with.

And the SF characters, especially Akuma and Bison, are super-tough as well.

Huh? 'Pure intent' strikes?

I've never even heard of those, and the Udon comics don't mention them.

When those two have pure hearts and goals, they fight harder, but I'll note neither have ever beaten Bison one on one.

Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to find them.

Do you have any Kikosha scans?

Originally posted by Mindset
Charlie isn't stronger than Ryu.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
per the udon comic, Charlie did have one of the largest area effect feats when he did his big flask kick move and cut a large section off of a cliff, though he was under the influence of the psycho power

Originally posted by Mindset
He can take a lot of superhuman hits and keep fighting...

Yes, and he can be taken down by enough of them, like Fat Cobra and other fighters in that range show. I.e. SF characters can take him down.

No, it wasn't, did you read the ninjak post you replied to?

Not sure if you did. He commented on 'pure intent strikes in many canons'. I then mentioned that Udon continuity wasn't one of them. So yes, I was talking about Udon.

Charlie isn't stronger than Ryu.

He's stronger than Ryu in both Alpha and the Udon comics.

In the games, Ryu surpasses him *eventually* (due to Ryu not being dead), but not until after SFII.

In Udon, well, he's definitely got better feats, and was able to pwn Guile and Chun-Li in a row. Ryu's good but he's not "Beat two foes of that level" good.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Do you have any Kikosha scans?

Kikosho is this one

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, and he can be taken down by enough of them, like Fat Cobra and other fighters in that range show. I.e. SF characters can take him down.

Not sure if you did. He commented on 'pure intent strikes in many canons'. I then mentioned that Udon continuity wasn't one of them. So yes, I was talking about Udon.

He's stronger than Ryu in both Alpha and the Udon comics.

In the games, Ryu surpasses him *eventually* (due to Ryu not being dead), but not until after SFII.

In Udon, well, he's definitely got better feats, and was able to pwn Guile and Chun-Li in a row. Ryu's good but he's not "Beat two foes of that level" good.

Kikosho is this one

Ryu is stronger than Charlie in the games.

Originally posted by Mindset
You keep bringing up FC, at the time he was faster and stronger than IF... These characters are not on FC's level.

What makes you say that? They've got greatest destructive power than most of the Immortal Weapons, to be sure. They've got across-the-board superhuman stats, often at very high level. Superhuman toughness, strength, agility, speed...

Heck, Bison and Akuma are way stronger than Fat Cobra.

That's sorta why I'm bringing him up- you keep acting like the SF characters aren't even in IF's league, but some of them are stronger by feats than people who've beat him.

Ryu is stronger than Charlie in the games.

In gameplay, E. Honda is often a better character for tournaments than Bison. Doesn't mean Honda is stronger, that's just how gameplay works, it's meant to be balanced.

In the game plot, Charlie is stronger than Ryu.

Guile and Ryu are pretty close. Charlie is significantly stronger than Guile.

And again, we're using Udon canon primarily.

Ok, on the lack of good scans, I made some. Rose and Bison this time.

To open:

Bison one-shots (the 7'7", 360 lbs) T. Hawk. For a starter. Then Rose steps in, blocks one of his shots, then:

Because Rose is an overpowered badass.

So, Bison's out, right? Or at least stunned?

No.

Next page, he electrocutes her, then Cammy futilely attacks and is captured (Cammy is strong enough to mutually-KO with Balrog in this continuity, btw).

That is the power of M. Bison. His every attack makes craters in the ground and hitting him into a 7-story building hard enough to collapse it barely slows him down.

That's not even his full power. Didn't he level a village?

Originally posted by jinzin
That's not even his full power. Didn't he level a village?

Yes in a show of power to prove his evil to embrace the Psycho Power, Bison in the first few Udon issues. Murdered an entire Druid encampment.

He just exploded the lot of em. Left a huge crater in the ground.

Originally posted by Q99
Ok, on the lack of good scans, I made some. Rose and Bison this time.

To open:

Bison one-shots (the 7'7", 360 lbs) T. Hawk. For a starter. Then Rose steps in, blocks one of his shots, then:

Because Rose is an overpowered badass.

So, Bison's out, right? Or at least stunned?

No.

Next page, he electrocutes her, then Cammy futilely attacks and is captured (Cammy is strong enough to mutually-KO with Balrog in this continuity, btw).

That is the power of M. Bison. His every attack makes craters in the ground and hitting him into a 7-story building hard enough to collapse it barely slows him down.

That's bad ass.

Personally I'd say Prince of Orphans is the only Immortal Weapon who'd be able to put up a good fight against the high tiers.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Yes in a show of power to prove his evil to embrace the Psycho Power, Bison in the first few Udon issues. Murdered an entire Druid encampment.

He just exploded the lot of em. Left a huge crater in the ground.

Rose's origin story, even. Sole survivor and all that.