Originally posted by bbrem123You can't eliminate his mental issues entirely. I am not using his showings to where people simply talk to him and he goes screaming off as my only evidence but my point is you can't ignore his entire history either and focus on his highest showings.
I understand where you are coming from. This would not be going by the forum rules though. A mentally weak sentry is not a sentry at the best of his abilities. I know the character has many showings while being unstable but that doesnt change the fact that it is going against the rules. The unstable mind of the sentry is what make him able to be a member of the avengers. Sentry at the best of his abilities does not have any mental issues so saying he does is wrong, no matter how many unstable appearances he has. If the OP specifies otherwise unstable sentry is not in the picture here. Im not ignoring the major characteristic of the character. Im going by the forum rules nothing more.
Originally posted by bbrem123No, it isn't. Sentry is nuts it's who he is.
This example has nothing to do with the Sentry at all. Completely different when you talk about characteristic that are used in a forum battle.So you think sentry with mental weakness is sentry at the best of his abilities? Because comics show otherwise.
Sentry's mental weakness is always still there whether you think he's at his best or not.
Originally posted by bbrem123The forum rules are clear. Even Bada has emphasized it with Hulk.
This subject should definitely be cleared up by the mods. It would completely change my views on fight concerning the sentry.
But For people like Quanchi just argue as follows
1. Sentry with a very stable mental state...
2. Sentry with a very unstable mental state...
Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't eliminate his mental issues entirely. I am not using his showings to where people simply talk to him and he goes screaming off as my only evidence but my point is you can't ignore his entire history either and focus on his highest showings.No, it isn't. Sentry is nuts it's who he is.
Sentry's mental weakness is always still there whether you think he's at his best or not.
But at times he has shown little to no mental instability. When he fought terrax or Genis he was highly stable. Nice try at a strawman though.
Originally posted by h1a8Yes, the mental issues were still there though they didn't come out. We don't change the character and pretend he doesn't have issues. You don't know enough about the Sentry to know either way. 🙂
But at times he has shown little to no mental instability. When he fought terrax or Genis he was highly stable. Nice try at a strawman though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the mental issues were still there though they didn't come out. We don't change the character and pretend he doesn't have issues. You don't know enough about the Sentry to know either way. 🙂
I know more about the Sentry than all of you combined, so I think you should actually listen to me, when I say that's correct...
As he already said, when Sentry has his good moments, he was doing just fine and that's the main point. It was possible for Sentry to be a part of Marvel's superhero teams, because the writers exploited his mental issues. He had mental problems / was depowered for the sake of the story during World War Hulk. Without it, do you really expect WW Hulk to put up a fight against a Sentry, who doesn't show any mental instability during his fight with Photon and does more than just fine? I don't expect WW Hulk do do well in that fight.
The funny thing is ... There was not even one single encounter in the history of Sentry comics, where he was losing, because he was clearly overwhelmed by the enemy. Not even one single encounter.
Every time his track record was bad, you SAW him struggeling with himself and his issues. When he fought WW Hulk, he had problems. When he fought the Collective, he had problems, when he fought Ultron, and even there he was doing fine, but he had problems, but that doesn't mean that he is mentally unstable 24/7 ... He also had more than enough showings, where he was doing just fine, like for example where he owned Terrax, fought against Photon, Blue Marvel.
And then you had the instances, where he was totally-out-of-character-unstable, which was mainly written by Bendis, where he gets kills Morgana and ASKS NORMAN OSBORN IF KILLING IS A GOOD THING ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the mental issues were still there though they didn't come out. We don't change the character and pretend he doesn't have issues. You don't know enough about the Sentry to know either way. 🙂
You keep strawmaning the argument though. It's irrelevant if Sentry always had issues. No one is arguing that (although some would disagree). The fact is that those issues varied from comic to comic causing him to be more unstable in some comics and less in others. By default, we choose the Sentry that had minimal issues, like the one where he fought Terrax. This is because this is the Sentry that is going to fight at the best of his ability.
From how you argue, it seems that you don't read comics.
Originally posted by EnzeruYou don't even know what defending oneself means so you can't comprehend what is going on most of the time. I also don't think you know more about the Sentry either. You didn't know Doom defended himself so either you lied or were ignorant. Take your pick.
I know more about the Sentry than all of you combined, so I think you should actually listen to me, when I say that's correct...As he already said, when Sentry has his good moments, he was doing just fine and that's the main point. It was possible for Sentry to be a part of Marvel's superhero teams, because the writers exploited his mental issues. He had mental problems / was depowered for the sake of the story during World War Hulk. Without it, do you really expect WW Hulk to put up a fight against a Sentry, who doesn't show any mental instability during his fight with Photon and does more than just fine? I don't expect WW Hulk do do well in that fight.
The funny thing is ... There was not even one single encounter in the history of Sentry comics, where he was losing, because he was clearly overwhelmed by the enemy. Not even one single encounter.
Every time his track record was bad, you SAW him struggeling with himself and his issues. When he fought WW Hulk, he had problems. When he fought the Collective, he had problems, when he fought Ultron, and even there he was doing fine, but he had problems, but that doesn't mean that he is mentally unstable 24/7 ... He also had more than enough showings, where he was doing just fine, like for example where he owned Terrax, fought against Photon, Blue Marvel.And then you had the instances, where he was totally-out-of-character-unstable, which was mainly written by Bendis, where he gets kills Morgana and ASKS NORMAN OSBORN IF KILLING IS A GOOD THING ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
He wasn't depowered in WW Hulk he unleashed and even states he can hit the Hulk as hard as he wants. The intent was WW Hulk was on a level to take the punishment the Sentry could dish out. Yes, I do as well. The Sentry was still bfr'd in that fight. I've also seen the Sentry barely edge out the Blue Marvel without him unraveling due to mental issues even though they were still there. Not everyone brings them out that doesn't mean we pretend they aren't still within him.
I don't mean to say he's coming apart at the seems in every appearance but the same issues are always there it just depends on whether they come out or not. The issue is whether they do come out not that they aren't there. Just because he uses little effort to run Terrax off that doesn't mean he's not nuts. The entire Sentry series had him seeing a psychiatrist. He just dealt with Terrax easily is all. He was still nuts. That's the Sentry. Saying it doesn't exist at all is changing the character, entirely.
Originally posted by h1a8The issues are always there and we can debate on who is taking him on and what the chances are they can survive long enough to bring them out. His head(mind) is his weakness. Sentry still had issues the entire arc but easily dealt with Terrax. He didn't have a clean mental bill of health. He was as nuts as he always has been. Try reading comics. 🙂
You keep strawmaning the argument though. It's irrelevant if Sentry always had issues. No one is arguing that (although some would disagree). The fact is that those issues varied from comic to comic causing him to be more unstable in some comics and less in others. By default, we choose the Sentry that had minimal issues, like the one where he fought Terrax. This is because this is the Sentry that is going to fight at the best of his ability.From how you argue, it seems that you don't read comics.