Originally posted by Stoic
3. The Sentry was stable at the beginning of the fight, so stop using excuses. Before the fight Tony gave him the pep talk of the century. This was the writer showing us that fans like you could not go back and say, that Bob was unstable.
Iron Man talked to the Sentry, who then said that he wouldn't be able to help them out because of his agoraphobia. He told Iron Man that the Avengers would have to face the Hulk alone.
Then Sentry stood for nearly 2 days in front of his house door, unable to leave the place.
Do you even know what agoraphobia is? It's the fear of wide open spaces. The person is afraid that he won't have a place to hide, if he has a panic attack and therefore Sentry was not able to leave the house, because his fear was overwhelming him. Sentry has godlike powers but in the end, he is still only human and has flaws, like every other human.
When the Hulk decided to kill the heroes, Sentry took off, since he knew that he couldn't hide any longer and it took him long enough to enter the battlefield, because his speed was so low, since he was in a weak state after all. It's a fact that Sentry's power level scales with his stability and when he is instable he needs a good amount of time to travel from one point to another and while he is clear minded, he flies all over the world in seconds.
Go figure.
Originally posted by Stoic
He unleashed holy hell on the Hulk and it was not enough. Again it is the comics from which we have the ability to gauge a specific characters abilities, not opinion. Versatility does not mean win. I placed emphasis on why this fact is not 100% credible. The hulk is not a one trick pony, and you can begin to stop placing him within that category, as he has shown time and time again to be contrary to this belief.
Sentry lost the control over his powers during that fight and while he is unstable, his power level is lower. The power he was wielding in that moment was enough to destroy few city blocks.
When he was clear minded, he was destroying planets while holding back.
Go figure.
Additionally to that I never said that the Hulk would be a one tricky pony, but fact is that he is vastly less versatile than the Sentry and that Hulk's lack of speed, flight, great range potential would be great disadvantages and few of the reasons why he would lose in the end.
Originally posted by Stoic
4. Yes the hulk regenerated from a stomach and bones in less than 5 minutes.
Sentry regenerated from a skeleton in seconds.
Originally posted by Stoic
5. The Hulk was holding back during WW Hulk, and he still beat Bob. If this fight happened in the Dark Dimension and the Hulk wasn't holding back, Bob would have been beaten as we saw he was unable to take the Hulk on a lower power scale.
Dude, THE WORLD WAR HULK SENTRY WAS A DEPOWERED VERSION, WHAT'S SO COMPLICATED ABOUT THAT ONE?!?!?!?!
If the Hulk was in the microverse with the Sentry, who was destroying planets while holding back, Hulk would have died.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
why he's bragging about typing with 10 fingers?
Because I'm handsome and awesome.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I know why the people tend to forget that. Because they're stupid. I had the first part in mind.
Didn't he say so?
Originally posted by Stoic
What about the Hulk holding back? Does this factor in somewhere, or is this a one sided type of thing?
If the Hulk holding back was up for discussion, it could be argued about, obviously.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Didn't he say so?
Not directly, but he was supporting the Hulk with kind words though.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/892/aawwh05015.jpg
^ Here he talks, while Hulk is punching him: HIT ME ... HIT MEEEEE !!!
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1020/aawwh05022.jpg
^ Here he's done talking and attacks back: I've had enough, eat this !!!
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5948/aawwh05023.jpg
^ Then again, he starts talking again while Hulk continues punching him: Awww !!!
Originally posted by Enzeru
Not directly, but he was supporting the Hulk with kind words though.http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/892/aawwh05015.jpg
^ Here he talks, while Hulk is punching him: HIT ME ... HIT MEEEEE !!!
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1020/aawwh05022.jpg
^ Here he's done talking and attacks back: I've had enough, eat this !!!
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5948/aawwh05023.jpg
^ Then again, he starts talking again while Hulk continues punching him: Awww !!!
The first scan is the one I was referring to. Pretty clear that he's egging him on, imo.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Iron Man talked to the Sentry, who then said that he wouldn't be able to help them out because of his agoraphobia. He told Iron Man that the Avengers would have to face the Hulk alone.
Then Sentry stood for nearly 2 days in front of his house door, unable to leave the place.Do you even know what agoraphobia is? It's the fear of wide open spaces. The person is afraid that he won't have a place to hide, if he has a panic attack and therefore Sentry was not able to leave the house, because his fear was overwhelming him. Sentry has godlike powers but in the end, he is still only human and has flaws, like every other human.
When the Hulk decided to kill the heroes, Sentry took off, since he knew that he couldn't hide any longer and it took him long enough to enter the battlefield, because his speed was so low, since he was in a weak state after all. It's a fact that Sentry's power level scales with his stability and when he is instable he needs a good amount of time to travel from one point to another and while he is clear minded, he flies all over the world in seconds.
Go figure.
Sentry lost the control over his powers during that fight and while he is unstable, his power level is lower. The power he was wielding in that moment was enough to destroy few city blocks.
When he was clear minded, he was destroying planets while holding back.Go figure.
Additionally to that I never said that the Hulk would be a one tricky pony, but fact is that he is vastly less versatile than the Sentry and that Hulk's lack of speed, flight, great range potential would be great disadvantages and few of the reasons why he would lose in the end.
Sentry regenerated from a skeleton in seconds.
Dude, THE WORLD WAR HULK SENTRY WAS A DEPOWERED VERSION, WHAT'S SO COMPLICATED ABOUT THAT ONE?!?!?!?!
If the Hulk was in the microverse with the Sentry, who was destroying planets while holding back, Hulk would have died.Because I'm handsome and awesome.
I read the book. No need to be condescending. Then again that's the way that you debate in order to wiggle in a point right. When Bob flew into the conflict he was all there and nowhere did it ever state that he was flying slow to get to the battlefield. Did you see the look on his face? He was full of confidence. You keep making things up to suit your argument, too bad other read the story as well.
I guess when Bob said that the hulk was the only one who could take his hits, that it meant that he was low in confidence, and that he was holding back, when in fact he said how great it felt to finally let loose. This is you once again making up things to deceitfully prove a point, but again others read the book as well.
The Hulk was able to move fast enough to chin check Bob when he blitzed in wasn't he? Oh yeah but Bob wasn't operating at peak levels. Riiight. This argument can only go so far until someone has to step in call a loss a loss. How much ass does the Hulk have to beat, before people say that he can legitimately take on the big guns, and win? Probably never, because he's been doing so for the past 60 or less years, and people still throw curve balls at his feats.
You keep saying that Sentry of WW Hulk was the Bob being less than prime, but you still can't prove it. it never states it on panel. The book went something like this. When Bob was first approached, and asked to help stop the Hulk, he was unable, and if Banner sanctioned all of those heroes that were captured at that moment, Bob would have done nothing. However as time went on, Bob got it together in his mind, and flew to the rescue. At this point in time, Bob was prepped, willing, able, confident, feeling great after the God pep talk given by Tony, and ready to stop the Hulk. When he flew in with a his Golden Boy grin, that was not the look of a confused, drug addled victim, it was the Sentry fully aware of what he had to do. Like I said the excuses have to stop, because it's really sad. If the Hulk had lost, i would be here arguing for the Sentry, but as it turns out, the Hulk won, and he was holding back.
Originally posted by Stoic
I read the book. No need to be condescending. Then again that's the way that you debate in order to wiggle in a point right. When Bob flew into the conflict he was all there and nowhere did it ever state that he was flying slow to get to the battlefield. Did you see the look on his face? He was full of confidence. You keep making things up to suit your argument, too bad other read the story as well.
I don't make anything up, I just judge by the meaning behind the entire story.
Sentry flew into the conflict and he needed a whole while to reach them, since there there happened so much in the mean time. Reed was going to kill Tony, who was trying to hack the controlling devices, Reed didn't kill him, because Hulk didn't let him to, Rick explained it to them, Hulk then talked a little bit about the story and then there was the golden shine and the Sentry entered the battle.
The Sentry, who already flew from the Earth to the Sun during one single conversation, multiple times and even faster.
I'm pretty sure that the distance between the Earth and the Sun is greater than the distance between one point of America and another one.
Originally posted by Stoic
I guess when Bob said that the hulk was the only one who could take his hits, that it meant that he was low in confidence, and that he was holding back, when in fact he said how great it felt to finally let loose. This is you once again making up things to deceitfully prove a point, but again others read the book as well.
Once again, this is not me making anything up. Paul Jenkins, the creator of the Sentry said that Sentry struggels and if he struggels, his power level sinks and he is easier to defeat. Greg Pak, the writer of World War Hulk made it pretty clear that Sentry was in a weak mental condition, since he was ignoring his duties as a hero for days, because of his agoraphobia.
With the mental issues Sentry's power level was low and he was not able to bust out more damage.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk was able to move fast enough to chin check Bob when he blitzed in wasn't he? Oh yeah but Bob wasn't operating at peak levels. Riiight. This argument can only go so far until someone has to step in call a loss a loss. How much ass does the Hulk have to beat, before people say that he can legitimately take on the big guns, and win? Probably never, because he's been doing so for the past 60 or less years, and people still throw curve balls at his feats.
Didn't we already made it clear, that Sentry wanted to be hit during that fight? He was not dodging when Hulk was attacking him, for obvious reasons: "HEY, IMA LOSE THE CONTROL AND START LEVELING THE ENTIRE CITY, TROLLO-LOLO!"
No one ever said that Hulk can't defeat opponents. Hulk is a brute and for the longest time he had brutes as his opponents. He was facing opponents on his own level of speed. He can do that as much as he wants, but when he faces opponents who are maybe equal to him when it comes to the strenght, but have a greater versatility, then the writers have to write the stories so that the Hulk could win too.
Just because you're strong, you can't simply defeat someone with a plot device like Mjolnir. Or someone with the power of one million exploding suns.
Originally posted by Stoic
You keep saying that Sentry of WW Hulk was the Bob being less than prime, but you still can't prove it. it never states it on panel.
Stopped reading there.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
^ Sentry and Photon are shredding worlds, while they're still holding back. Captain America is threatened, while the entire ground beneath him is collapsing.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
^ Captain America gets teleported into safety and Sentry and Photon cut loose. Sentry is for the first time not on the Earth and therefore not threatening anyone. He releases his power and his golden energy is visible in the real world, while he is still in the microverse.
And during that encounter there was not a sign of Sentry's mental issues. He was fairly clear minded. Hulk can't take on a being who destroys planets while holding back and who also takes attacks on a planetary busting scale without taking all too much harm.
