True, they're doing the Rulk think of blurred motion with him now.
Think it's about time. It was stupid to make him the strongest one in Marvel but put a cap on his speed - insane perversion of logic.
With his muscles, the force he outputs, he'd easily propel himself at FTL speeds.
Anyway, yes feat machine Hulk is indestructible but even Savage Hulk of yesteryear was insanely durable and fast enough to react to QS and Jack of Hearts... I can't see Nova Prime winning against either. Both versions are just hilariously, ridiculously strong.
I'm not convinced, I don't like the dumping of Banner's development over the last ... 6-7 years.
He'd really become a fantastic character in his own right, mostly due to Pak but even prior to him with M-Day there was great amounts of development happening.
This Banner with a superiority complex and a latent desire to humiliate everyone he considers his competition, is just Doom-lite.
Banner long ago learned to live with Hulk, then he learned to appreciate Hulk and, over Aaron's run, he accepted that he wasn't himself without Hulk. That he couldn't survive on his own (psychologically speaking)... So this new "reset" is very disappointing.
On the plus side, I'm sure it will still reach back to where Pak's Banner had been, without the tired old Banner vs Hulk bs.
Originally posted by dmills
Waid is going to do good things with that book. I wonder if he'll attempt one of his "deconstructions" of the Hulk's abilities. Should be interesting.And no, neither of them would beat Nova Prime.
Hulk (either iteration of Savage Hulk) wins.
Originally posted by janus77
I'm not convinced, I don't like the dumping of Banner's development over the last ... 6-7 years.He'd really become a fantastic character in his own right, mostly due to Pak but even prior to him with M-Day there was great amounts of development happening.
This Banner with a superiority complex and a latent desire to humiliate everyone he considers his competition, is just Doom-lite.
Banner long ago learned to live with Hulk, then he learned to appreciate Hulk and, over Aaron's run, he accepted that he wasn't himself without Hulk. That he couldn't survive on his own (psychologically speaking)... So this new "reset" is very disappointing.
On the plus side, I'm sure it will still reach back to where Pak's Banner had been, without the tired old Banner vs Hulk bs.
Really? That's weird that that's what you got from it. I kinda saw Pak's run as Banner embracing the monster so to speak. I thought Aaron's run actually reintroduced the Banner vs Hulk concept to a silly degree. For all of the shyt Pak got for the feat fest the book became during his last few arcs, the man did more to develope the character and his world then anyone sense Peter David IMO.
Regardless though I can understand a fan not liking a jolting change of pace. But you should be grateful. At least Banner is still Banner...
Give Waid a shot bro. He'll work in some quirky little angles and nuances that you'll grow to appreciate. The only thing I'd be worried about is if his head is in it all of the way. The digital format seems to be his baby right now so I'm not sure if Hulk is going to get his foremost effort or not. He admitted in an interview not too long ago that he was essentially taking on as many writing projects as possible so he could fund his digital endeavors.
Originally posted by dmills
Really? That's weird that that's what you got from it. I kinda saw Pak's run as Banner embracing the monster so to speak. I thought Aaron's run actually reintroduced the Banner vs Hulk concept to a silly degree. For all of the shyt Pak got for the feat fest the book became during his last few arcs, the man did more to develope the character and his world then anyone sense Peter David IMO.Regardless though I can understand a fan not liking a jolting change of pace. But you should be grateful. At least Banner is still Banner...
Give Waid a shot bro. He'll work in some quirky little angles and nuances that you'll grow to appreciate. The only thing I'd be worried about is if his head is in it all of the way. The digital format seems to be his baby right now so I'm not sure if Hulk is going to get his foremost effort or not. He admitted in an interview not too long ago that he was essentially taking on as many writing projects as possible so he could fund his digital endeavors.
This has great potential. Even if it's a little jarring accepting that, after all those years of having easy working relationships with Reed and the other brains, he now feels a desperate need to make his mark and on top of that, he needs to assert his intellectual superiority over Stark.
You're right about Aaron's initial Banner vs Hulk (well, actually, Hulk + Doom vs Banner) thing, I actually forgot that shit... I guess I concentrated on the strong finish, with Banner being an utter nutter without the resolve and confidence and power that Hulk imbues him with.
It was a divergent track from Pak's stories, but it built up further on the Banner and Hulk need each other thing from the angle of Banner.
If Nova wins, it won't be through straight up power but with some clever use of his abilities. Hulk would probably be portrayed as an overwhelming force that he has to overcome. I guess he could get lucky with an all or nothing attack against the Hulk but nowadays, that's not the smartest option unless it's a guaranteed win.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Nova wins, it won't be through straight up power but with some clever use of his abilities. Hulk would probably be portrayed as an overwhelming force that he has to overcome. I guess he could get lucky with an all or nothing attack against the Hulk but nowadays, that's not the smartest option unless it's a guaranteed win.
All respect due to Savage, but if I were reading the last few years of Nova, all of the proxy events, with all of the stuff he's faced, to only turn around and have the writers then have the phucking savage Hulk be an insurmountable challenge I'd drop the book immediately lol. That's how down they'd have to write the character for Savage to get a believable win. He'd have to essentially fight like a complete tool.
Rider can deal with the Hulk's strength advantage, Hulk can't say the same about dealing with Nova's speed, durability and energy output advantages.
Originally posted by janus77
Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading them. They're good stories and Banner's doing some bits and pieces I find entertaining... Just 2 stories in, so my 'judgement' is maybe just initial disappointment speaking...This has great potential. Even if it's a little jarring accepting that, after all those years of having easy working relationships with Reed and the other brains, he now feels a desperate need to make his mark and on top of that, he needs to assert his intellectual superiority over Stark.
You're right about Aaron's initial Banner vs Hulk (well, actually, Hulk + Doom vs Banner) thing, I actually forgot that shit... I guess I concentrated on the strong finish, with Banner being an utter nutter without the resolve and confidence and power that Hulk imbues him with.
It was a divergent track from Pak's stories, but it built up further on the Banner and Hulk need each other thing from the angle of Banner.
I'll keep an eye on it. I haven't actually bought any Marvel comics in a good 2 years I think. But when the Gotg reboot drops I'll probably start looking at some other Marvel stuff in addition to that.