Originally posted by Nihilist
So because this is Hulk in this thread we ignore what is total common sense right.Normal Marvell wasnt destroyed by Savage Hulk easily and Hulk has enough lower showing to to say he can be put down early, Lord Marvells power was clearly heavily increased as being avatar of life/cancerverse gods, so why wont his strength.
Savage Hulk one shot KO'd Cap MarVell. It's right there in the scans that were provided earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Indeed.As powerful as he may be, he has no physical strength feats to speak of.
As far as we know, he could be as strong as Luke Cage.
If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk. So if a character lack's strength feats we have to automatically assume he's weaker? Pretty stupid and illogical if you ask me, especially when it was heavily implied Mar-vell was leagues above his 616 counterpart power-wise.
Super strength was part of the original Captain Marvel's powerset, and Lord Mar-vell is vastly more powerful than Captain Marvel, why wouldn't his strength be much greater as well? There's always something called common sense.
Originally posted by vince_slice
If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk. So if a character lack's strength feats we have to automatically assume he's weaker? Pretty stupid and illogical if you ask me, especially when it was heavily implied Mar-vell was leagues above his 616 counterpart power-wise.Super strength was part of the original Captain Marvel's powerset, and Lord Mar-vell is vastly more powerful than Captain Marvel, why wouldn't his strength be much greater as well? There's always something called common sense.
Being more powerful could just mean that his energy output was far greater. It does not have to mean that his strength output was. There is concrete evidence that LM had greater energy output, as this was seen on panel, but there is no concrete evidence to suggest that he was a physical power house. Nor is it obvious that he was. Savage Hulk on the other hand one shot destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth, while LM was easily physically subdued. Where is the proof to say that he was monstrously strong?
Originally posted by Nihilist
He wasnt fully ko'd and Hulk left the fight straight after
He was out of it, and if the Hulk continued for any amount of time, he would have destroyed him. Cap MarVell was easily put away.
Originally posted by vince_slice
If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk. So if a character lack's strength feats we have to automatically assume he's weaker? Pretty stupid and illogical if you ask me, especially when it was heavily implied Mar-vell was leagues above his 616 counterpart power-wise.Super strength was part of the original Captain Marvel's powerset, and Lord Mar-vell is vastly more powerful than Captain Marvel, why wouldn't his strength be much greater as well? There's always something called common sense.
Well thing is that Zeus may not have had many strengths feats but its was more quality over quantity for example physically matching and then overpowering Thor when they fought.
Originally posted by Stoic
Being more powerful could just mean that his energy output was far greater. It does not have to mean that his strength output was. There is concrete evidence that LM had greater energy output, as this was seen on panel, but there is no concrete evidence to suggest that he was a physical power house. Nor is it obvious that he was. Savage Hulk on the other hand one shot destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth, while LM was easily physically subdued. Where is the proof to say that he was monstrously strong?
It's called common sense; by your "feats only" logic, Savage Hulk should be stronger than Zeus, because Zeus has never one-shotted anything like an asteroid twice the size of earth. But that wasn't the case when they clashed H2H. In fact by your logic Savage Hulk should be stronger than WBH because destroying an asteroid twice the size of a planet is > than destroying one planet. Sound's kind of stupid to me. You also have to take into account the character's implied power.
Are you assuming Lord Mar-vell's strength is no greater than the original Captain Marvel's?
Originally posted by vince_slice
If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk.
But again, I have seen nothing to suggest that he can hang with a classic powerhouse like savage hulk. Not with his fists only.
So if a character lack's strength feats we have to automatically assume he's weaker? Pretty stupid and illogical if you ask me, especially when it was heavily implied Mar-vell was leagues above his 616 counterpart power-wise.
Besides, 616 Captain Marvel was, strengthwise, never a match for Hulk, not even on his best day when fighting a weak hulk.
So I give Lord Mar-Vell a physical strength boost. Like it will make a difference.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Savage Hulk never destroyed the asteroid, it was Gry Hulk and he was aided.
Do you have the scans? The Hulk looked green from what I recall, unless there was a printing error in the book that I saw. What was the aid that you are speaking of, and how does it remove the strength feat? Joe Fixit is also the Grey Hulk persona, who happens to speak like a gangster. The Hulk that destroyed the asteroid spoke like a 9 year old child. Savage Hulk also speaks like a 9 year old child, so which persona destroyed the asteroid?
Originally posted by vince_slice
It's called common sense; by your "feats only" logic, Savage Hulk should be stronger than Zeus, because Zeus has never one-shotted anything like an asteroid twice the size of earth. But that wasn't the case when they clashed H2H. In fact by your logic Savage Hulk should be stronger than WBH because destroying an asteroid twice the size of a planet is > than destroying one planet. Sound's kind of stupid to me. You also have to take into account the character's implied power.Are you assuming Lord Mar-vell's strength is no greater than the original Captain Marvel's?
There is no proof that to show what level of strength LM was.
Zeus did not fight a Hulk that went all out, but one who was there pleading for help. Zeus would have still won, but it would not have been in the way that it was shown. The context was all there.
WB Hulk was indeed more powerful than the Hulk that destroyed the asteroid.
Lord MarVell is no Zeus. Let's not get carried away.
Originally posted by Stoic😂 arent you the big Hulk fan? its in the respect thread even stated as grey Hulk.
Do you have the scans? The Hulk looked green from what I recall, unless there was a printing error in the book that I saw. What was the aid that you are speaking of, and how does it remove the strength feat? Joe Fixit is also the Grey Hulk persona, who happens to speak like a gangster. The Hulk that destroyed the asteroid spoke like a 9 year old child. Savage Hulk also speaks like a 9 year old child, so which persona destroyed the asteroid?
The aid was being propelled by rockects into space giving him extra momentum
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Bias ? What bias ? I liked the storyline and have nothing against Lord Mar-Vell.But again, I have seen nothing to suggest that he can hang with a classic powerhouse like savage hulk. Not with his fists only.
Yeah we'll just assume he's at least as strong as savage hulk, that makes much more sense...
Yeah the fact that he's portrayed as vastly more powerful than the original Mar-vell and almost one-shotting Nova with full powered shields up with a single amped punch implies Lord Mar-vell is Luke Cage level strength according to you..🙄 🙄...nope you're not biased against him at all.
Besides, 616 Captain Marvel was, strengthwise, never a match for Hulk, not even on his best day when fighting a weak hulk.So I give Lord Mar-Vell a physical strength boost. Like it will make a difference.
Yeah because the gap in power between the original Captain Marvel and Lord Mar-vell isn't that big right? Nah it's tiny....🙄 🙄 🙄
Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 arent you the big Hulk fan? its in the respect thread even stated as grey Hulk.The aid was being propelled by rockects into space giving him extra momentum
So an asteroid that was stated as not being able to destroy the asteroid was what did it huh? It was also stated what type of personality the Grey Hulk had many times in the history of the Hulk. It's the repressed part of Banner's psyche, the Hulk the destroyed the asteroid was the wounded child part of Banner's psyche, as depicted several times in the history of the Hulk. The respect section could have been in error to what was, and has been written in the Hulk books.
Originally posted by Stoic
So an asteroid that was stated as not being able to destroy the asteroid was what did it huh? It was also stated what type of personality the Grey Hulk had many times in the history of the Hulk. It's the repressed part of Banner's psyche, the Hulk the destroyed the asteroid was the wounded child part of Banner's psyche, as depicted several times in the history of the Hulk. The respect section could have been in error to what was, and has been written in the Hulk books.
Grey Hulk destroyed the asteroid not Savage it happened in MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #52
Okay so it was the Grey Hulk. There however is still a strength feat that trumps this regarding the Savage Hulk, as it states on panel that he is an infinite power by the Beyonder. The Savage Hulk was also stated on panel during a direct comparison from Banner that he was larger, and far more powerful than the Grey Hulk when Banner was explaining this knowledge to Betty in one of his labs.
The point here is that he has many strength feats, while LM has none.