Originally posted by King Kandy
If five CCUs could defeat LT, he wouldn't let so many of them float around.
The HotU was able to defeat the LT and the LT did nothing to keep others away from it...
The cosmics (via massive jobbing) rarely make intelligent decisions; allowing objects of Infinite Power seems to be one of them...
@zopzop
The LT's statement can be interpreted to mean something other than what you think it does...
The LT says "we." That could easily mean that the cosmics have a working relationship with the True Beyonders (who supply the power for the CCU's) and that the creation of the CCU's are a joint decision...
But fact of the matter remains; Thanos with a lone CCU matched the full Infinity Gauntlet (which apparently isnt far off from the LT)...
As a result, Thanos with 5 CCU's should be able to overpower the LT...
indeed
many reference that silly story its starlin no different than any writer wanking a character
i seriously doubt now god humbles lt
geez
and the heart isn't even in the thread
no one now is above lt besides his boss been that way for years will always b this isn't secret wars time.... this isn't marvel the end
there's a reason shooter and starlin write for dc
The Cosmic Cube never matched what the IG did
Thanos beat Kronos and became the universe with the Cosmic Cube
Thanos actually beat Eternity with the IG... along with just about every other abstract (Death, Galactus, Order/Chaos, Celestials, Galactus, Kronos, Eon, Stranger, Love/Hate, Mephisto), and became the universe.
He has also talked down on the Cosmic Cube while talking of the IG too.
Then you go by your statement where it says that 5 would fall short of the IG as well... even the for proof of the Cosmic Cube isn't enough
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The HotU was able to defeat the LT and the LT did nothing to keep others away from it...The cosmics (via massive jobbing) rarely make intelligent decisions; allowing objects of Infinite Power seems to be one of them...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzopThe LT says "we." That could easily mean that the cosmics have a working relationship with the True Beyonders (who supply the power for the CCU's) and that the creation of the CCU's are a joint decision...
He said that, after he summoned Eternity/Order/Chaos to his presence. I took it to mean "we" aka LT/Eternity/Order/Chaos and since we all know that the LT's judgments trump anything Eternity/Order/Chaos say/do, if he changes his mind and refuses to allow energy from the Beyonders universe to form CCUs, that would be the end of that story.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb👆
The Cosmic Cube never matched what the IG didThanos beat Kronos and became the universe with the Cosmic Cube
Thanos actually beat Eternity with the IG... along with just about every other abstract (Death, Galactus, Order/Chaos, Celestials, Galactus, Kronos, Eon, Stranger, Love/Hate, Mephisto), and became the universe.
He has also talked down on the Cosmic Cube while talking of the IG too.Then you go by your statement where it says that 5 would fall short of the IG as well... even the for proof of the Cosmic Cube isn't enough
Surfer: "Experience has shown that CCU's are nearly all-powerful, but not quite... The collected infinity gems are a FAR more potent force."
Goddess: "True[...]"
...And Surfer/Goddess were comparing the IG to the Cosmic Egg, there. The CE contained, what? 30 CCU's? Just saying.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Surfer: "Experience has shown that CCU's are nearly all-powerful, but not quite... The collected infinity gems are a FAR more potent force."
Goddess: "True[...]"
...And Surfer/Goddess were comparing the IG to the Cosmic Egg, there. The CE contained, what? 30 CCU's? Just saying.
I'd consider Mephisto to be far more knowledgable than the Surfer; Mephisto said that a CCU was all-powerful, but would refuse to surpass its self imposed (immature CCU's are semi-sentient) limitations unless compelled to do so by a will stronger than its own...
This relates to the Goddess as I believe that both Thanos with a lone CCU and Magus's tech (manpiulating 5) accomplished more with less CCU's; 30 CCU's dont mean what they potentially could mean without suffient willpower backing them...
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
The Cosmic Cube never matched what the IG didThanos beat Kronos and became the universe with the Cosmic Cube
Thanos actually beat Eternity with the IG... along with just about every other abstract (Death, Galactus, Order/Chaos, Celestials, Galactus, Kronos, Eon, Stranger, Love/Hate, Mephisto), and became the universe.
He has also talked down on the Cosmic Cube while talking of the IG too.Then you go by your statement where it says that 5 would fall short of the IG as well... even the for proof of the Cosmic Cube isn't enough
Sure it did...
As pertains dealing with Eternity, Thanos was able to replace him (it) with himself; although with the Cube he arguably surpassed how he did it with the IG as with the CCU, he was able to replace Eternity and Eternity couldnt do anything about it...much less fight back.
As pertains the 5 CCU's, again...willpower; the Magus manipulated them with tech. Do you really think Magus's tech was able to make the CCU's completely disregard their self imposed limitations? I dont.
I believe the 5 CCU's were limited by Magus's tech...especially seeing what Thanos was able to do with a lone CCU.
Originally posted by zopzop
He said that, after he summoned Eternity/Order/Chaos to his presence. I took it to mean "we" aka LT/Eternity/Order/Chaos and since we all know that the LT's judgments trump anything Eternity/Order/Chaos say/do, if he changes his mind and refuses to allow energy from the Beyonders universe to form CCUs, that would be the end of that story.
But you are speculating just as I am...
I am merely trying to get you to see that that scene isnt as clear cut as you think it is; its very subject to interpretation...
And sure, its possible that no more CCU's would be formed without the LT's consent, but its very possible that the True Beyonders could form them and send them to 616 anyway...
Afterall, if such a small portion of their power can create objects so incredibly powerful, its seems very likely that they are much, much, more powerful than the Living Tribunal...
Originally posted by King Kandy
That was the will of God, so, of course LT did not interfere with it.
Now we have a very clear contradiction...
If the LT knew Thanos getting the HotU was the will of God, why did the LT judge against him and try to fight him (after Thanos acquired the HotU of course) then?
As a result, its clear that the "all-knowing" LT jobbed like crazy, just as all the cosmics do, when an object capable of kicking their tails shows up...
Originally posted by guy222
for the thread....living tribunal>>>thanos w/5 ccu
Its possible you are right, but I dont think this is clear cut...
In the right hands, 1 CCU was able to match the IG...
The IG isnt that much less powerful than the LT (as Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1 seems to indicate); the LT can beat it, but not without causing massive collateral damage...
So if 1 CCU (in the right hands) can equal the IG and the IG<the LT, then 5 CCU's (with the right person at the controls) should be able to surpass the LT...
In case some of you havent noticed, this thread is truly more about the CCU's than it is about Thanos...
Thanos just happens to be the one with the best track record of using them (his ability to compell one, via strength of will, seems to be more potent than the Goddess's will or the Magus's tech), and so he ended up being apart of this thread as a result...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
But you are speculating just as I am...I am merely trying to get you to see that that scene isnt as clear cut as you think it is; its very subject to interpretation...
And sure, its possible that no more CCU's would be formed without the LT's consent, but its very possible that the True Beyonders could form them and send them to 616 anyway...
Afterall, if such a small portion of their power can create objects so incredibly powerful, its seems very likely that they are much, much, more powerful than the Living Tribunal...
On panel, he summons them to his presence and starts his "we permitted" speech. It's really not that complicated.
The True Beyonders universe is within the multiverse that the LT oversees. If he says no, then it's no. And there is nothing they can do about it.
We have zero on panel feats for the True Beyonders, the LT despite his low showings also has some very very high showings on panel.
The IG also sh|ts all over anything the CCUs have done on panel (and I'm talking meaningful stuff here, like FIGHTS).
Tangentially, the Cube Beings or CCUs are NEVER present when universe/multiverse wide crisis' are going down. When dealing with Thanos with the HotU, they weren't even summoned by the LT.