Wu Tang Presents: Superman vs. Batman - Chess Boxing

Started by Sr J-Bieb4 pages

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Superman, while depowered, on panel, has defeated opponents and situations arguably more formidable than Batman. This is unarmed combat. I'm not saying Superman wins, but I don't think it's a clean cut victory for Batman on both the chess and fighting fronts, though I think Batman's odds of winning are arguably better in the fight than they are on the chessboard, if only because of the pace at which the game of chess could possibly be played at.
And Batman is put in Superman level situations all the time.

Even assuming they're equal in strength, Batman is faster, and many times over more skilled. You're putting Badr Hari (with Werdum sub skills) against Chris Leben and expecting a fight out of it.

Chess is a little different, but the fight rounds? No chance.

And Batman never actually performs at 'Superman level' in these 'Superman level' situations does he? No. Completely apples to oranges with how they approach the situations. On the other hand, Depowered Clark has fought Kobra h2h and done well. That's directly comparable.

Clark with super perceptions and comparable speed takes Bruce's envy ridden beetch ass the f*ck down.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
And Batman never actually performs at 'Superman level' in these 'Superman level' situations does he? No. Completely apples to oranges with how they approach the situations. On the other hand, Depowered Clark has fought Kobra h2h and done well. That's directly comparable.

Clark with super perceptions and comparable speed takes Bruce's envy ridden beetch ass the f*ck down.

Not quite. Above Grodd/Grundy level.
Batman casually performs above his perceived level all the time, so I don't see how "Batman level" means anything.

So Superman beats a person Batman beats and that means he can beat Batman?
Why does he have comparable speed? Either way, Batman has stomped a Teen Titan team with Kid Flash on it, who has super perceptions, and greater speed than Batman. What an advantage that was...

If we ignore skill, I can certainly see how Superman can give Bruce a good fight, though.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No he doesn't. Not in a boxing match, not in a kickboxing match.

It was a conditional statement (the condition was stated above it). If Batman is not more than 4x faster than Clark then he would lose at a striking match.

This is because Clark will see him in super slow motion and EASILY counter with pressure points when Batman attacks. Meaning, Bats will be open when he attacks.

Boxing is only complicated when it is in real time. It is simpler than kindergarten if it is in super slow motion. Dave Chappelle ought to tell you that.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was a conditional statement (the condition was stated above it). If Batman is not more than 4x faster than Clark then he would lose at a striking match.

This is because Clark will see him in super slow motion and EASILY counter with pressure points when Batman attacks. Meaning, Bats will be open when he attacks.

Boxing is only complicated when it is in real time. It is simpler than kindergarten if it is in super slow motion. Dave Chappelle ought to tell you that.

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The one thread I thought you'd be semi rational in. Sometimes I have some pretty stupid thoughts.

Put it this way. Its like playing a game where you've entered a slow-mo cheat, but crucially, YOUR GAME CHARACTER IS THE SAME SPEED.

Sure, you the gamer can see your enemies in slow motion, and quickly enter the neccessary button presses. Doesn't mean that your onscreen character would move out of the way of any of their attacks.

I think Batman would win the boxing, and Superman the chess.

But can Superman beat Batman in chess before Batman beats him in the fight? The match goes in this order:

Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes

If Superman or Batman can survive two rounds of fighting either would have 9 minutes total to defeat the other in chess or simply rest. Are people saying that Batman drops Supes in the first 3 minute fighting round?

Batman would annihilate a depowered Superman in a hand to hand fight. How can anyone examine their history and come to any other conclusion?

Originally posted by MF DELPH
But can Superman beat Batman in chess before Batman beats him in the fight? The match goes in this order:

Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes

If Superman or Batman can survive two rounds of fighting either would have 9 minutes total to defeat the other in chess or simply rest. Are people saying that Batman drops Supes in the first 3 minute fighting round?

Yes. If Clark lasted more than like 2 pages against Bruce while depowered, I'd honestly be shocked.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
But can Superman beat Batman in chess before Batman beats him in the fight? The match goes in this order:

Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes
Chess: 3 minutes
Fight: 3 Minutes

If Superman or Batman can survive two rounds of fighting either would have 9 minutes total to defeat the other in chess or simply rest. Are people saying that Batman drops Supes in the first 3 minute fighting round?

Yes.

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Can Batman just sit on his hands for 3 minutes and then beat Clark's ass for the next three? Or make just make one move in three minutes? If he can then Bats takes this easily.

If they are actually playing chess as fast as they can in the 3 mins Supes probably takes it in the first round. But if for any reason they reach the first round of fighting then Bruce wins period.

Even if Clark makes it out of the first round of fighting alive, he would be to phucked up to think properly. Hard to play chess with two broken arms

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Batman would annihilate a depowered Superman in a hand to hand fight. How can anyone examine their history and come to any other conclusion?

Yes. If Clark lasted more than like 2 pages against Bruce while depowered, I'd honestly be shocked.

Because he's Superman, that literally seems to be their argument.

Kobra has beaten Batman FWIW. One thing is that Superman beat Kobra in Batman's body while he was in a weaker body than his kryptonian depowered body which was durable enough to survive re-entry without any aid and survived the firepits of apokolips while being depowered.

Batman beats superman in h2h though.

A chess match can go either way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kobra has beaten Batman FWIW. One thing is that Superman beat Kobra in Batman's body while he was in a weaker body than his kryptonian depowered body which was durable enough to survive re-entry without any aid and survived the firepits of apokolips while being depowered.

Batman beats superman in h2h though.

A chess match can go either way.

Honestly this is Batman's fight to lose in all situations.

The only advantage Superman's super reaction speed grants him in the chess match is the ability to look over every possible move. It still comes down to him recognizing the moves or what Batman is trying to do.

FYI this something Batman generally does in a few seconds anyway. So even if Superman could take one second to figure out every possible move Batman is trying to make Batman will still do something similar in a similar time frame. That's just something Bruce does anyway and based on comicbook niches would probably out maneuver Superman anyways.

I think the fight has been pretty much covered in that Bruce still wins.

Heck Superman might end up being weaker in a fight with his Super reaction times. His mind is going to be processing things fast but in the end his body is ever going to get one of those signals and execute it at a time. Which means he is always going to have synch up what his body is doing with the thought he wants it to do in the time fram it's in.

Also once he commits to a move that's it he won't be able to make any large adjustments after that.

So what will probably end up happening is that thanks to Batman's Superior skill and quickness he will still out perform Superman. Also once again Batman is generally fast enough to quickly read body motion in real time thanks to his training that once Superman does something Batman will still have the reflexes and time to react like he normally does. Superman will end up spending an entire lifetime watching a move come at him that he won't be able to avoid.

Originally posted by Newjak
Honestly this is Batman's fight to lose in all situations.

The only advantage Superman's super reaction speed grants him in the chess match is the ability to look over every possible move. It still comes down to him recognizing the moves or what Batman is trying to do.

FYI this something Batman generally does in a few seconds anyway. So even if Superman could take one second to figure out every possible move Batman is trying to make Batman will still do something similar in a similar time frame. That's just something Bruce does anyway and based on comicbook niches would probably out maneuver Superman anyways.

I think the fight has been pretty much covered in that Bruce still wins.

Heck Superman might end up being weaker in a fight with his Super reaction times. His mind is going to be processing things fast but in the end his body is ever going to get one of those signals and execute it at a time. Which means he is always going to have synch up what his body is doing with the thought he wants it to do in the time fram it's in.

Also once he commits to a move that's it he won't be able to make any large adjustments after that.

So what will probably end up happening is that thanks to Batman's Superior skill and quickness he will still out perform Superman. Also once again Batman is generally fast enough to quickly read body motion in real time thanks to his training that once Superman does something Batman will still have the reflexes and time to react like he normally does. Superman will end up spending an entire lifetime watching a move come at him that he won't be able to avoid.


A likely scenario.👆

Originally posted by MF DELPH
So Batman isn't a good enough strategist to beat Superman in Chess in under 3 minutes and has to resort to a physical fight that he's not guaranteed to win?
or how about chess has a finite number of moves and counter moves and that they are both smart enough/process fast enough to calculate every move beginning to end and that the winner will inevitably be the person with the first move advantage.

Or Batman doesn't make a move in 3 minutes of chess, then proceeds to beat the shit out of Clark in HTH

batman h2h.
superman chess.

Superman took a hell of a beating from Ali, and kept coming. He could probably last about one or two 3 minute rounds before staying down..

What happens if the chess matches end in a draw? That's basically what real life chess masters shoot for against the best chess engines...

I think Superman is being sold really short in this thread.