Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
are you looking at your own scans? at no point did he MUSCLE through Thanos blast... not sure where you get that from. The blast that actually hit Morg.. KO'd him in one shot.. Period
No it did not. Thanos hit Morg the first time and Morg bulled through it. Thanos even when chastising Ganymede, and boasting of having the power to put Morg down, was still unable to fully KO him. Look at the scan, and you will see that Morg is still struggling to get to his feet. This again was Morg without the WOL.
Originally posted by StoicI don't care about what you think is shoddy and what isn't this is about debating two fictional characters. This is as serious as it gets.
In Morg's case there were a few discrepancies. as ZOP pointed out, and made me scratch my head over the entire character for years. Marvel hired a shoddy team to finish the Tyrant story, and unfortunately Morg was caught up in the shit storm. If it's of any consolation, I think that Thanos would win this, just not by way of mauling Morg. He's going to have to work for it, based on, on panel evidence.
Thanos doesn't win he mauls. This isn't close. Thanos mauled Mar-vell who showed Surfer wasn't even a threat. It turns out Nova had the power to faze Morg. Thanos has the power to send Galactus on his ass. Stompage.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't care about what you think is shoddy and what isn't this is about debating two fictional characters. This is as serious as it gets.Thanos doesn't win he mauls. This isn't close. Thanos mauled Mar-vell who showed Surfer wasn't even a threat. It turns out Nova had the power to faze Morg. Thanos has the power to send Galactus on his ass. Stompage.
Argue with the scans. Morg without the WOL did well against Thanos, and that's all that there is to it. Just because you can't wrap it around your mind that there are guys out there that could take it to Thanos, or outright defeat him, is something that you may need to get comfortable with. Those scans show that Thanos did not one shot Morg at half power, and that Morg was able to bull through his blast, and take him down. Had Thanos not grabbed Terrax's axe, he would have been cut in half.
Lord Mar-Vell hit Nova and the Surfer with magic, that was likely able to hurt them, but he did not physically overpower them. Morg at his best would have likely beat the tar out of Mar-Vell just like Thanos did, after all the WOL's nature was magic. Mar-Vell has no business being called a trans tier with only a hand full of appearances, even if he killed the Magus, who as we now know wasn't killed after all. We also do not know how powerful the Magus was at that very moment in time, because his power fluctuates from one instant to the next. Also he wasn't even ready and was hit unawares. Only you could make something as simple as that one scene into something that it may not have been.
You think Morg is weak? How about I make a thread with the Silver Surfer vs Morg (with PC & WOL), and see if he wouldn't give Surfer as great of a beating as Thanos did. Tossing Galactus wasn't as big a feat as you make it either, he wasn't the size of a planet or anything, he actually looked like he was below 20 feet in that book, and weighing less than 10 - 15 tons.
Originally posted by zopzop
@StoicDude I have to agree with Quan on this one. Post rez Morg sans WoL upgrade seems to be weaksauce. His fight with Terrax before and after they got captured by Tyrant didn't fill me with confidence in his power.
This was still a Morg that was capable of going toe to toe with the Silver Surfer, while only having the PC though. The very scan that you presented of Cosmic Powers shows that Morg wasn't flattened or mauled, and he was at least at half power. Let me ask you this then, do you think Morg with WOL & PC could absolutely destroy the Silver Surfer if Norrin did not have the aid of the other Heralds backing him, and they were in an enclosed space like the one that Thanos hammered the Surfer into a coma?
When did Mar-Vell show his physical dominance over anyone of note? Mar_Vell hit Nova and the Surfer with magic, which thry could have been weak against, he didn't manhandle them the way Morg would manhandle those two at his most powerful. Just think about it. How big was Galactus when Thanos sent him careening? Could you see any class 100 tossing 10 -15 tons of weight that far? If you can't then I'm in error, but come on Thanos never did anything unaided to say that he would maul Morg at his most powerful. Like I said, just think about it.
Originally posted by StoicNo, Morg didn't do well. Hell, I have seen Wolverine do more damage than Morg. Morg knocked him down and he defended himself. He looked at Morg as a simple obstacle in his path hardly worth his attention. He was there for Tyrant not some p.o.w. You yourself admitted Morg loses so this isn't one of those times. You need to drop the obsession with Thanos losing. There's no proof at all he'd be cut in half. It's just you speculating and you've admitted you want Thanos to lose thereby forfeiting all objectivity in Thanos threads.
Argue with the scans. Morg without the WOL did well against Thanos, and that's all that there is to it. Just because you can't wrap it around your mind that there are guys out there that could take it to Thanos, or outright defeat him, is something that you may need to get comfortable with. Those scans show that Thanos did not one shot Morg at half power, and that Morg was able to bull through his blast, and take him down. Had Thanos not grabbed Terrax's axe, he would have been cut in half.
Lord Mar-vell has power to resist strength he wasn't restricted to physical attacks only. Someone like the Hulk would be an afterthought to someone who doesn't even acknowledge the Surfer as a threat.
Lord Mar-Vell hit Nova and the Surfer with magic, that was likely able to hurt them, but he did not physically overpower them. Morg at his best would have likely beat the tar out of Mar-Vell just like Thanos did, after all the WOL's nature was magic. Mar-Vell has no business being called a trans tier with only a hand full of appearances, even if he killed the Magus, who as we now know wasn't killed after all. We also do not know how powerful the Magus was at that very moment in time, because his power fluctuates from one instant to the next. Also he wasn't even ready and was hit unawares. Only you could make something as simple as that one scene into something that it may not have been.[/B]
No, Morg wouldn't since the Surfer beat his ass by himself. The comics support my views not your own.
Based on Mar-vell's showings he was above top tier and more than even trans but really Morg isn't. Nova was able to really injure him. The guy is simply outclassed here and badly.
Compared to Thanos he is weak. Surfer defeated Morg when they both had the pc only. Morg needs an upgrade to defeat Thanos' whipping boy. It's two different levels, sport.
You think Morg is weak? How about I make a thread with the Silver Surfer vs Morg (with PC & WOL), and see if he wouldn't give Surfer as great of a beating as Thanos did. Tossing Galactus wasn't as big a feat as you make it either, he wasn't the size of a planet or anything, he actually looked like he was below 20 feet in that book, and weighing less than 10 - 15 tons. [/B]
The sooner you realize this the better. Tyrant acknowledged Thanos is more than these others which included Morg. My number one rule is go with the comics not against them. 😂
@Stoic
I'm not arguing that Morg + WoL was weak. He was more powerful than Silver Surfer/Firelord/Nova/Air Walker/Terrax team. Which is nice. But Blood and Thunder Thor was manhandling high herald level beings like Warlock, BRB, Dumb Drax, and Surfer (and this was before he got the Power Gem).
Regarding the Mar-vell incident, none of them were even remotely a threat to him. So if he's pwning them because of sorcery or fisticuffs it ultimately would make no difference no?
Regarding Thanos blasting Galactus off his feet, size wouldn't factor into it. Otherwise, how do you explain Thanos being unable to even BUDGE Odin when they threw down? Odin was at most 6ft-7ft tall.
1. Morg was not among the ones counted as being less than Thanos.
2. Read the OP, this is not Thanos vs Morg with only the PC, but he also has the WOL.
3. Morg beat the Surfer senseless in their first meeting, and in their last the Surfer barely won. Galactus made Morg to be the Surfer's equal, the Surfer simply had more experience at using the power given to him.
4. Mar-Vell did not manhandle anyone of note, he found a weakness in the Surfer, and Nova, one that they had no defense against, and he used it. He used magic. This is not something that Dr. Strange could not whip up. Mar-Vell was powerful, but as for his strength feat... well they are non existent.
5. Morg did as well as those scans say that he did, for someone that claims to go by what the books says, you seem to be blind to this one. Kurupt seems to be under the same illusion. Thanos did not one shot Morg, and Morg was half of what the OP of this thread is asking for during Cosmic Powers 5. On top of it all Morg was being attacked by 2-3 combatants.
6. If the Silver Surfer could have taken Morg at his most powerful alone, he would have never sought the aid of the other Heralds. As we all know however, he did seek out aid, and was still being thrown around. Only through Galactus removing the Power Cosmic from Morg were they able to escape total annihilation. Morg was stopped by a plot device.
7. I already said that Morg would lose to Thanos, but that it certainly would not be this fantasy mauling that you want it to be, despite evidence that points to other conclusions. Then again in your eyes Thanos would maul Odin, Galactus... helll you likely think that he would beat Korvak too, but your wrong. Thanos was measured, and he is less than Odin by a country mile.
Originally posted by zopzop
@Stoic
I'm not arguing that Morg + WoL was weak. He was more powerful than Silver Surfer/Firelord/Nova/Air Walker/Terrax team. Which is nice. But Blood and Thunder Thor was manhandling high herald level beings like Warlock, BRB, Dumb Drax, and Surfer (and this was before he got the Power Gem).Regarding the Mar-vell incident, none of them were even remotely a threat to him. So if he's pwning them because of sorcery or fisticuffs it ultimately would make no difference no?
Regarding Thanos blasting Galactus off his feet, size wouldn't factor into it. Otherwise, how do you explain Thanos being unable to even BUDGE Odin when they threw down? Odin was at most 6ft-7ft tall.
Thor was doing a number on that team this is true, but Morg was outright going to murder the Heralds, and only for the sake of plot did he stop just short of that. I never said that Morg would win this, all I said was that Thanos isn't going to be putting him away with anything that resembles ease. If you really want to get down to it, in open space, Morg can move at FTL speeds, and Thanos can't. Morg could pick his targets, and fire away, while maintaining these speeds as well.
if they battled in character, Morg would destroy the very planet beneath thanos' feet, and have a field avantage on him. You do recall what the runner did to Thanos when he was out of his element right? Well Morg isn't much slower in terms of travel speed of an unaided Runner. yeah yeah the fallen one rushed Thanos and was pasted, but did he really fight intelligently? he bullrushed in, and was owned. there are many angles to this. Thanos wins but it's not going to be a walk in the park. His name is Thanos of Titan, not Thanos the Invincible.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor was doing a number on that team this is true, but Morg was outright going to murder the Heralds, and only for the sake of plot did he stop just short of that. I never said that Morg would win this, all I said was that Thanos isn't going to be putting him away with anything that resembles ease. If you really want to get down to it, in open space, Morg can move at FTL speeds, and Thanos can't. Morg could pick his targets, and fire away, while maintaining these speeds as well.if they battled in character, Morg would destroy the very planet beneath thanos' feet, and have a field avantage on him. You do recall what the runner did to Thanos when he was out of his element right? Well Morg isn't much slower in terms of travel speed of an unaided Runner. yeah yeah the fallen one rushed Thanos and was pasted, but did he really fight intelligently? he bullrushed in, and was owned. there are many angles to this. Thanos wins but it's not going to be a walk in the park. His name is Thanos of Titan, not Thanos the Invincible.
B&T Thor could have murdered those high heralds I mentioned too. He had them dead to rights. And the opponents Thor was fighting against : BRB, Warlock with Soul Gem, Drax with Power Gem, Silver Surfer, etc.. were more impressive than what WoL Morg was up against in Air Walker/Firelord/Nova/Terrax/Surfer.
Having said that, I'm actually glad you picked up on Thanos' mobility issue. Can he even fly/levitate without using his chair/tech? I've never seen him do it. In fact, during the IG saga when Nebula punished Thanos, she banished him to deep space and he was just floating there unable to move. At first I thought she depowered him somehow too as extra punishment but that wasn't the case because when Strange found and tped him back to Earth, he and the Surfer started attacking each other.
Originally posted by zopzop
B&T Thor could have murdered those high heralds I mentioned too. He had them dead to rights. And the opponents Thor was fighting against : BRB, Warlock with Soul Gem, Drax with Power Gem, Silver Surfer, etc.. were more impressive than what WoL Morg was up against in Air Walker/Firelord/Nova/Terrax/Surfer.Having said that, I'm actually glad you picked up on Thanos' mobility issue. Can he even fly/levitate without using his chair/tech? I've never seen him do it. In fact, during the IG saga when Nebula punished Thanos, she banished him to deep space and he was just floating there unable to move. At first I thought she depowered him somehow too as extra punishment but that wasn't the case because when Strange found and tped him back to Earth, he and the Surfer started attacking each other.
Oh yeah I know. All I've been saying all along though is that Thanos would win, but he's not going to just walk in there, grab Morg, slam him into the ground, and raise his arms in victory. He's actually going to have to work for it, and take his share of the lumps. by the way Drax was an idiot, and even though he had the PG, it might as well have been a marble, because he didn't have the faintest idea of its use. The rest of those guys are debatable, some of them weren't exactly true Herald material, but more along the lines of low to mid Herald. all the same PG Thor's use of the Gem was very suspect, and it didn't seem like he was much more powerful than his usual self when he fought Thanos. Do you really believe that Thanos is an Odin level character?
Originally posted by Stoic
Oh yeah I know. All I've been saying all along though is that Thanos would win, but he's not going to just walk in there, grab Morg, slam him into the ground, and raise his arms in victory. He's actually going to have to work for it, and take his share of the lumps. by the way Drax was an idiot, and even though he had the PG, it might as well have been a marble, because he didn't have the faintest idea of its use. The rest of those guys are debatable, some of them weren't exactly true Herald material, but more along the lines of low to mid Herald. all the same PG Thor's use of the Gem was very suspect, and it didn't seem like he was much more powerful than his usual self when he fought Thanos. Do you really believe the Thanos is an Odin level character?
B&T Thor waxed those guys (BRB, Warlock w/Mind Gem, Drax w/Power Gem, Surfer, etc..) before he got his hands on the Power Gem. IMHO those guys were way more powerful than Air-Walker/Firelord/Terrax/Nova.
Thanos, pre TI, was what he was. A high trans character in terms of damage output and damage soak/durability. Odin is an elite Skyfather. So Odin >>>>Thanos>>>>>>Thor>>>>>Surfer>=Morg (PC).
Originally posted by zopzopGoing by this, I think a very strong case could be made for Morg. Imo, he and Thanos appeared to be stalemating (with an ever-so-slight edge to Morg) until Thanos received help in the form of Ganymede and Terrax's axe.
Scans here :To recap :
Thanos was not his first target, Terrax was
Thanos had time to defend himself once Morg showed up
Thanos had help from Ganymede
Thanos did not one shot Morg (you can see him muscle through on of Thanos' blasts and tackle him)
Thanos needed Terrax's axe at one point in the fight to deflect an incoming axe strike from Morg.
IF Thanos beat him here, it would not be easy by any means. Imo.
Originally posted by Galan007That wasn't one of Thanos's best showings for sure, against a de-powered and mindless Morg and failing to KO him.
Going by this, I think a very strong case could be made for Morg. Imo, he and Thanos appeared to be stalemating (with an ever-so-slight edge to Morg) until Thanos received help in the form of Ganymede and Terrax's axe.IF Thanos beat him here, it would not be easy by any means. Imo.
Back then Morg might have had a chance with the WOL. I think the current Thanos probably wins though, but it might not be easy. I wonder how they would do Morg if they brought him back now, what sort of power level they would give him? I'm surprised Tyrant and Morg never did come back, maybe they are just too 90s.
I'm not sure what in these scans supports the notion that Morg was stalemating Thanos... He tackled him.. while going through one of Thanos's weaker blasts... Thanos blocks his attack as Thanos... Gany than distracts Thanos... who then gets serious.. and puts him down in one shot. What about this fight is a stalemate?
Furthermore, Zop and Stoic... The point is, and the scans show, once Thanos got serious... Not a one fisted blast as somebody tackling you... but once Thanos got serious.. two handed blast... Morg was put down in ONE SHOT with ease.
Originally posted by Galan007Hard to disagree when you remove the mindlessness of his mind-control, the fact that Thanos had allies and direct assistance and you add the formidable WOL amp.
Going by this, I think a very strong case could be made for Morg. Imo, he and Thanos appeared to be stalemating (with an ever-so-slight edge to Morg) until Thanos received help in the form of Ganymede and Terrax's axe.IF Thanos beat him here, it would not be easy by any means. Imo.
