Internet Blackout

Originally posted by socool8520
Aren't there only like 19 senators in favor of this anyways. That's not even close to the majority. I would assume this will get shot down.

Wrong.

Waaaaaaaay wrong.

It's surprisingly bi-partisan on both sides.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's surprisingly bi-partisan on both sides.

Originally posted by Peach
Wrong.

Waaaaaaaay wrong.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's probably cause there's no actual difference between the parties.

They split along party lines on the issues most people are most passionate about. When people say "there's no difference" they just mean that "they don't care about my pet issues and I don't care about their pet issues", it just the disingenuous version is just better for manipulating people.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Few of those people shown on the supporters list have actually switched sides recently.

Well, that list is marked as having been updated today. I know that people have switched sides today though because of the internet blackouts and protests (I know there are protests going on in NYC today because of it), and I don't know how frequently that site is updated.

You have to click through to the SOPA and PIPA links on that page to really see where each one stands - the vast majority of the House is still shown as being unknown or undecided on SOPA. Whereas PIPA shows half as being unknown/undecided, but of those that have shown their support (or opposition), it's a 8:1 ratio.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's probably cause there's no actual difference between the parties.

Untrue. Both may still be pretty far to the right in terms of politics, but there is in fact quite a lot of differences between the two, and to say there's no actual difference is pretty damn ignorant.

Theres only one party. The corporate interest party.

Originally posted by Peach
Well, that list is marked as having been updated today. I know that people have switched sides today though because of the internet blackouts and protests (I know there are protests going on in NYC today because of it), and I don't know how frequently that site is updated.

You have to click through to the SOPA and PIPA links on that page to really see where each one stands - the vast majority of the House is still shown as being unknown or undecided on SOPA. Whereas PIPA shows half as being unknown/undecided, but of those that have shown their support (or opposition), it's a 8:1 ratio.

Okay. Just simply bringing more information to the table.

The operative difference is that most of the proponents receive funding from the MPAA or other organizations pushing for SOPA/PIPA while most opponents are either libertarian minded or receiving major funding and support from internet companies that will be hurt if this passes.

Edit: I get a kick out of Rupert Murdoch and Senator Dodd, AKA Chairman of the MPAA, trying to act like the opposition to SOPA is sinister corporatism from those dastardly internet companies. I suppose good old fashioned analog corporatism is perfectly alright.

They can't stop the network thus this will just be a huge waste of energy on the governments part. 😆 Idiots 😆

Originally posted by Omega Vision
most opponents are either libertarian minded or receiving major funding and support from internet companies that will be hurt if this passes.

I'd like to think that at least a few of them just have a problem with anyone having nearly unlimited power to censor people.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Edit: I get a kick out of Rupert Murdoch and Senator Dodd, AKA Chairman of the MPAA, trying to act like the opposition to SOPA is sinister corporatism from those dastardly internet companies. I suppose good old fashioned analog corporatism is perfectly alright.

It is pretty hilarious to hear Murdoch to talk about the "corporate paymasters".

Originally posted by D-Wag
They can't stop the network thus this will just be a huge waste of energy on the governments part. 😆 Idiots 😆

They can make the network really difficult to use, though. Sites can just constantly jump IPs but if SOPA or PIPA are interpreted as giving the authority to control search engines following them can be made absurdly difficult unless they use phone-chains to get the information out.

One response I've heard is just to let SOPA/PIPA pass they have the EFF and ACLU take it to the Supreme Court where it has virtually no chance of surviving.

Where are these anonymous hackers...isn't it time for there offensive lmfao

Nothing but video making and westboro baptist church fighting. lol

YouTube video

http://gizmodo.com/5877219/sopa-outrage-is-breaking-the-senates-websites

So many people are trying to access Senators' websites to complain about SOPA that they're crashing. Awesome.

Edit: This is also a good read as to why SOPA and PIPA are so damn problematic.

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/wheres-my-wiki-sopa-pipa-and-balancing-rights/

I hope it is over soon but so far it has no effort on any of the sites I been on so far today.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2012/01/sopa-blackout-sopa-and-pipa-lose-three-co-sponsors-in-congress.html

Few more co-sponsors have withdrawn their support.

Also, it says that an estimated 10,000 sites have blacked out in protest. Wow.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I hope it is over soon but so far it has no effort on any of the sites I been on so far today.

Bill won't pass as it, it will be highly re-worked, likely targeting the medicinal sites more-so than movies/music and such, or not pass at all. I'd guess on a re-work.

I forget where I read it but people have pointed out that we shouldn't panic about SOPA "just being slowed down" since that's basically what a fillibuster is. Time is expensive and enough forced delays will strangle the bill.