Was Revan powerful? He seemed so weak in the game.

I'm confused, I am not a hardcore SW fan so when I read about Revan I got the impression he was the most powerful jed...or sith I'm not sure what he was, both? Than in the mmo that just came out it is revealed the sith emperor utterly destroyed him in combat...well with the assistance of the betrayer.

So I have some questions, if Revan's duel with the emperor was left uninterupted would he have won?

Also why did he betray revan, kill his ally and cause Revan to lose the duel?

Just confused about how powerful revan was, since he had mastery of both light and dark some thing I havent read that any other had.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Just confused about how powerful revan was, since he had mastery of both light and dark some thing I havent read that any other had.

Originally posted by Board Walker
So I have some questions, if Revan's duel with the emperor was left uninterupted would he have won?

The context of the chapter in Revan makes it pretty clear that in a direct contest of Force strength, Revan was utterly overcome. The Sith Emperor isn't shown to be a very physically active combatant, but that's probably because his Force powers are so over the top, he can mentally dominate most opponents, TK them like ragdolls, or incapacitate them with lightning.

Could Revan and co. gotten lucky? Sure. Scourge seemed to believe that Meetra could have killed the Emperor while he was entirely focused on stabbing Revan, who was at this point already helpless. But that's like saying you could beat Bruce Lee because you have a sledgehammer lined up at his skull while he's face pounding Chuck Norris.

Also why did he betray revan, kill his ally and cause Revan to lose the duel?

Prior to the match, Scourge has a prophetic Force vision, which sees someone else (specifically, the TOR MMO Jedi Knight) as being the one to truly defeat the Emperor. He then takes this as gospel and essentially paves the way for it to happen by betraying Revan and Meetra instead of attempting to aid them when the three were finally toe-to-toe with Vitiate.

Just confused about how powerful revan was, since he had mastery of both light and dark some thing I havent read that any other had.

Revan is still immensely powerful. The stunt where he turned Darth Nyriss to ash by absorbing and redirecting her lightning happened right after he re-acquired his memory of his former self in full. That coupled with his Jedi Master status and his affirmed status in the narration as the greatest champion of the Jedi Order, period means Revan is still one hell of a combatant.

He simply underestimated how powerful Vitiate's lightning could get.

Originally posted by Galan007
Count Dooku? Galan Marek?

Honestly, using both at the same time makes no sense.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
They didn't master both, they switched from side to the other.

Originally posted by Galan007
They mastered both sides individually=what I was saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
They mastered both sides individually=what I was saying.

Revan developed the capability to use both the light and dark sides of the Force simultaneously. Thus far, he is unique in this aspect in the whole mythos.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They are still invalid examples.

Revan developed the capability to use both the light and dark sides of the Force simultaneously. Thus far, he is unique in this aspect in the whole mythos.

He's Gary, the Stu
And he loves, loves you

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They are still invalid examples.

-Me-
"Count Dooku? Galan Marek?"

I mentioned the above fellas, because both of them "had mastery of both light and dark." Could they use those aspects in unison? Well, Galan arguably could, but Dooku never did. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that each of them had mastered both the light and dark aspects of the force.

It was my half-ass attempt at subtle sarcasm. 😉

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And his theme song is great:

He's Gary, the Stu
And he loves, loves you

Thanks.

Originally posted by Galan007
-Thread starter-
"he had mastery of both light and dark some thing I havent read that any other had."

-Me-
"Count Dooku? Galan Marek?"

I mentioned the above fellas, because both of them "had mastery of both light and dark." Could they use those aspects in unison? Well, Galan arguably could, but Dooku never did. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that each of them had mastered both the light and dark aspects of the force.

It was my half-ass attempt at subtle sarcasm. 😉

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I would never argue that Marek mastered the Light. He turned to it, but no freaking way he mastered it. Yoda mastered it. Marek was no Yoda. A sacrifice at the end isn't mastery.

Hmmm. Nope, still makes no sense. Raw power based on a lifetime of Dark Side training is not Light Side Mastery. He was a very powerful boy who made a conversion. But he was no Master.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Hmmm. Nope, still makes no sense. Raw power based on a lifetime of Dark Side training is not Light Side Mastery. He was a very powerful boy who made a conversion.

...And he was an uber dark sider.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But he was no Master.

But tbh, I'm not really sure what qualifications one must have to be officially dubbed 'master'.... On either side. /shrug

If all that was required was power output, then Savage Oppress would be a Dark Side master, and Coleman Trebor would be a Padawan. Mastery doesn't come with how big your 'splosion are. Otherwise Anakin Skywalker would've been a Master before Obi-Wan.

^ In all fairness, Galan was far more collected than those you mentioned, but that's neither here nor there.

Srs question, though: iyo, what pre-reqs must one have with a specific side of the force before they can be dubbed 'master'.

Mental fortitude and psychological wholeness. It's why I could never consider Vader to be a master of the Dark Side despite him being a masterful user of it as a weapon. Too many hang-ups and anxieties--like Marek. If it were as clear cut as simply being really good and throwing a Force push or gripping an object, then every trained Sensitive would be dubbed a 'master'. You can know every sequence and every kata, know a sword inside-out, but if you have limited control over your own emotions and desires then you're simply 'skilled', not 'masterful'.

When Galan made the initial transition from dark to light in TFU did he not gain a much higher degree of mental clarity, which he used in conjunction with his, already uber, skillset?

Your point is well taken, though.

Originally posted by Board Walker
I'm confused, I am not a hardcore SW fan so when I read about Revan I got the impression he was the most powerful jed...or sith I'm not sure what he was, both? Than in the mmo that just came out it is revealed the sith emperor utterly destroyed him in combat...well with the assistance of the betrayer.

So I have some questions, if Revan's duel with the emperor was left uninterupted would he have won?

Also why did he betray revan, kill his ally and cause Revan to lose the duel?

Just confused about how powerful revan was, since he had mastery of both light and dark some thing I havent read that any other had.

And how did you get the impression that Revan is the most powerful sith when its clearly shown that Vitiate, Sidious and others clearly surpass him?