Originally posted by Nihilist
Striking feats>>>strength feats when it comes to combat.Alot of poster tend to hide behind strength feats when it comes to combat.
Not necessarily, you see if you take a five year old child, and have him hit a grown adult male, his strikes would count for nothing, even if he hit the adult 10-15 times more than the adult hit him. In many cases the gap is much larger than this. When you factor in natural body armor, and durability of a guy that can shatter a mountain, and take hits that could also shatter a mountain vs a striker, that would have trouble shattering a brick wall you tend to have a lopsided situation. Captain America dropping the Hulk with one gut punch is a prime example of PIS. It should have been impossible, even by comic book standards to have done any more than make him raise an eyebrow.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Alot of poster tend to hide behind strength feats when it comes to combat.
Originally posted by Stoic
Not necessarily, you see if you take a five year old child, and have him hit a grown adult male, his strikes would count for nothing, even if he hit the adult 10-15 times more than the adult hit him. In many cases the gap is much larger than this. When you factor in natural body armor, and durability of a guy that can shatter a mountain, and take hits that could also shatter a mountain vs a striker, that would have trouble shattering a brick wall you tend to have a lopsided situation. Captain America dropping the Hulk with one gut punch is a prime example of PIS. It should have been impossible, even by comic book standards to have done any more than make him raise an eyebrow.
Originally posted by Nihilist
facepalmSee what i mean
I fail to see, or understand what is so hard to comprehend in what I posted, and how you deem it to be incorrect. In fact it makes more sense than you want to give it credit. It's simple, if a persons damage yield is far less than the person receiving the damage due to body armor, and durability, the attack could look great, but the fact is, numerically, and physically, it would count for nothing. Unless of course you're saying that Daredevil can kick a train into another state, or Captain America can punch through two foot of reinforced steel paneling. Make sense now?
Originally posted by StoicYoure a total waste of time seriously.
I fail to see, or understand what is so hard to comprehend in what I posted, and how you deem it to be incorrect. In fact it makes more sense than you want to give it credit. It's simple, if a persons damage yield is far less than the person receiving the damage due to body armor, and durability, the attack could look great, but the fact is, numerically, and physically, it would count for nothing. Unless of course your saying that Daredevil can kick a train into another state, or Captain America can punch through two foot of reinforced steel paneling. Make sense now?
Originally posted by Nihilist
No just youre outright stupidity and bias twisting of how things work/context in comics to aid your fave chararcters rep.
It does not matter what character you use, if one character does not possess the power or strength to hurt another, it would not faze the character that is taking the blow. You're the only one that comes off looking like an idiot here, but like I said, perhaps this simple concept is beyond your ability to grasp.
Originally posted by StoicThe simple fact is Hulk has lifting feats, thats why you are defending that stance everyone knows it and thats why you discount everything else as pis or whatever you want to call it.
It does not matter what character you use, if one character does not possess the power or strength to hurt another, it would not faze the character that is taking the blow. You're the only one that comes off looking like an idiot here, but like I said, perhaps this simple concept is beyond your ability to grasp.
Its sad really.
Originally posted by Nihilist
The simple fact is Hulk has lifting feats, thats why you are defending that stance everyone knows it and thats why you discount everything else as pis or whatever you want to call it.Its sad really.
The fact is that I used that particular time as a reference point to show PIS in it's purest form. The Hulk being able to take hits from Hercules who can destroy mountains, and then getting KO'd by Captain America who would have trouble punching through a cinder block wall is a huge leap. This has nothing to do with the Hulk, I could have used another character. Captain America was pummeled by Mr. Hyde, who happens to be far inferior to the Hulk in every category, and yet he was not KO'd by Captain America. I get it though, you want to be contrary but really have not made one point aside from pointing the finger. Classic. Also do you understand the concept of this threads OP?
But, there are other factors. Durability is a definite factor.
I liked the old Marvel Universe books that actually gave the "Skin Density" of characters for instance.
But, to outline the importance of Striking Ability over Strength of Arm, I have 2 words:
Bruce Lee
And, going along with the train of thought, I would have to say that a Martial Arts Ben Grim, would be able to utilize his strength much more effectively, thus the outcomes of some of Ben's fights with heavyweights might have some very different outcomes.
The constant barrage of super-powerful beings throwing huge, looping hay-makers at each-other until somebody falls. Then again, as per my point, it would explain why the stronger character usually wins.
I just don't think it is an accurate way to decide each fight in the forums.
It also is a sure sign that many writers have never been in a real fight, or, maybe, never even saw one.
Here are some examples, (not in any specific order) of Heavy-Weight Character fights being written creatively and intelligently: (feel free to add-on)
1. Grey Hulk (Mr. Fixit) fighting a stronger Ben Grim, shoves his fingers into Ben's large mutated mouth and grabs the Thing's Uvula! Good God!
2. More recently, Colossus bashing Juggernaut (Worthy)'s knee. Even without the power of Cytorakk, that strike might have done some damage to a Cain that was pretty much standing still. Plus, striking a knee, for the most part, isn't usually a strike that is meant to actually "break" anything. It just makes the knee go places it doesn't want to go. hehe 😄 (I speak from experience) and since (Worthy)Juggernaut is pretty much indestructible, this would have been a good way to go, even for a regular-powered Colossus.
Originally posted by Horrificus
1. Grey Hulk (Mr. Fixit) fighting a stronger Ben Grim, shoves his fingers into Ben's large mutated mouth and grabs the Thing's Uvula! Good God!
Originally posted by HulkIsHulkok. Right.
That was actually She-Thing, and Fixit did it to mess with her. When he got serious he demolished her
The actual smart fighting example with stronger Thing is Fixit redirecting Grimm's charge into the water and taking him on there, then using the Heimlich maneuver on Ben, almost drowning him
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh yea, Captain America knocked out Savage Hulk and drew blood against Green Scar. Of course, his been unable to hurt Thor every single time his attacked him (Hurt his hand punching his jaw etc.), but that's just more evidence that Thor > Hulk.
On the other hand, Hulk is completely unharmed by close range gunfire even point-blank. Even when his durability is explicit weakened he was unharmed by minigun fire. Heck recently he shrugged off Adamantium handgun bullets while not being in top form
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkPiercing08160.jpg.html
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Proof that Hulk>>Thor. Could please show equal number of showings of projectiles that are clearly bullets (no lasers and that stuff) explicitly bouncing off Thor's skin and his forehead in perfect view, not blurred , without the help of his armor, Mjolnir or helmet. And it should be Thor himself, no Beta Ray Bill, Jane, Red Norvell, Masterson or any other Asgardians or Olympians or other gods
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Karnak has hit Thor's arm and made him drop Mjolnir
That's no bad showing for Thor since, Karnak has actually KOd the Surfer within Surfer's own series
And wrecked the Thing, along with the room and shook up the whole Baxter building during it:
Hulk though, no sells, Karnak. Even when Black Bolt, someone who is already strong enough to hurt Hulk, tired the same tactic, he got blitzed and KOd
