Klaw vs... Iceman

Originally posted by leonidas
bobby can and has been dispersed into....pretty well nothingness and reformed pretty easily. klaw could get the first attack, shatter bobby (assuming he could get through bobby's shields) but it wouldn't matter. he could reform and freeze him. i really see no way--logically--for klaw to win this match. a forum bobby is, at times, quite a bit different from the comic bobby.

What's stopping Klaw from bubbling Iceman in a sound construct and ending the fight like that? Klaw can't die, he's living sound. Is Iceman that durable? Has it been shown on panel (and not just in theory)? I've never been impressed with Iceman. He's a joke. 😘

Originally posted by zopzop
What's stopping Klaw from bubbling Iceman in a sound construct and ending the fight like that? Klaw can't die, he's living sound. Is Iceman that durable? Has it been shown on panel (and not just in theory)? I've never been impressed with Iceman. He's a joke. 😘

Iceman can't be beat through physical means. He can be shattered and reform instantly - the only time this has not been the case is if he is blown up in human form and (mid-explosion) turns into ice. As ice he can shift his conscious wherever he wants meaning Klaw shattering him 12121412232121 times won't make a difference. And yes, this has been shown on panel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Even assuming that freezing would work (whereas stopping him by placing him in a vacuum failed spectacularly), what's to say Iceman survives the solid sound constructs and destructive ranged attacks Klaw would be dishing out?

This is Klaw's fight to lose.

But reducing him to at or close to absolute zero should work. He is supposed to be sound waves after all, not some exotic energy. He wouldn't necessarily be destroyed depending on how close to zero he gets, but he should be severely restricted.

That's if Iceman survives his attacks long enough to do it.

Originally posted by basilisk
I think that placing him in a vacuum would possibly fail because he is his own self-contained system of vibrating... something. By definition it was no longer a vacuum because there was something imprisoned in there. Like putting a guy in spacesuit inside a vacuum - doesn't work, at least in the short term.

But reducing him to at or close to absolute zero should work. He is supposed to be sound waves after all, not some exotic energy. He wouldn't necessarily be destroyed depending on how close to zero he gets, but he should be severely restricted.

That's if Iceman survives his attacks long enough to do it.

But that's the thing though, when he was placed in a vacuum by Quasar earlier his body complete broke down into "nothing" leaving only his blaster. He's learned to somehow exist in a vacuum (breaking natural laws). That's why I said Iceman freezing him to absolute zero wouldn't necessarily work.

Here's the Quasar incident :
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6510/vsklaw.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
But that's the thing though, when he was placed in a vacuum by Quasar earlier his body complete broke down into "nothing" leaving only his blaster. He's learned to somehow exist in a vacuum (breaking natural laws). That's why I said Iceman freezing him to absolute zero wouldn't necessarily work.

Here's the Quasar incident :
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6510/vsklaw.jpg

Originally posted by iceman24567
LoL were those new Jersey guido's? 😆

No this fight took place in the mid west.

Originally posted by zopzop
But that's the thing though, when he was placed in a vacuum by Quasar earlier his body complete broke down into "nothing" leaving only his blaster. He's learned to somehow exist in a vacuum (breaking natural laws). That's why I said Iceman freezing him to absolute zero wouldn't necessarily work.

Here's the Quasar incident :
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6510/vsklaw.jpg

sound comes from vibrations of particles, and vibrations come from the heat of the particles, so if there is no heat, then there can be no movement so there's no sound ...if he can create an area where particles cease to move then klaw wont be able to use is powers, but im unsure how he'd be able to kill him

Originally posted by Sin I AM
sound comes from vibrations of particles, and vibrations come from the heat of the particles, so if there is no heat, then there can be no movement so there's no sound ...if he can create an area where particles cease to move then klaw wont be able to use is powers, but im unsure how he'd be able to kill him

He's learned to overcome not existing in a vacuum.
Before -

Now -

If he could overcome the laws of physics concerning existing in a vacuum, what makes you think the whole "freezing his molecules so they can't vibrate/use his powers" will work on him?

Originally posted by zopzop
He's learned to overcome [b]not existing in a vacuum.
Before -

Now -

If he could overcome the laws of physics concerning existing in a vacuum, what makes you think the whole "freezing his molecules so they can't vibrate/use his powers" will work on him? [/B]

its not freezing his molecules zop, its lowering the temperature of the surrounding area to the point where molecular motion stops thereby negating his power....if there is no ambient sound to amp off of how can he fight back?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
its not freezing his molecules zop, its lowering the temperature of the surrounding area to the point where molecular motion stops thereby negating his power....if there is no ambient sound to amp off of how can he fight back?

Yes I understand that but what I'm saying is, if he can overcome not existing (in a vacuum) then I'm sure he can overcome having his molecules slowed/stopped.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes I understand that but what I'm saying is, if he can overcome [b]not existing (in a vacuum) then I'm sure he can overcome having his molecules slowed/stopped. [/B]

your reaching. I wouldn't say he overcame not existing, rather his new prosthetic allowed him to maintain his form, it seemed a bit PISy since he cant amp without ambient sound and should not have been able to break free

Originally posted by Sin I AM
your reaching. I wouldn't say he overcame not existing, rather his new prosthetic allowed him to maintain his form, it seemed a bit PISy since he cant amp without ambient sound and should not have been able to break free

this. it really is a completely different scenario, and i don't think we can simply speculate that something 'illogical' may happen. it's klaw, not lobo....

Originally posted by Sin I AM
your reaching. I wouldn't say he overcame not existing, rather his new prosthetic allowed him to maintain his form, it seemed a bit PISy since he cant amp without ambient sound and should not have been able to break free

No, in a vacuum his body "collapsed into his prosthesis" it didn't allow him to maintain anything ,but we saw even that doesn't work on Klaw anymore. IMHO overcoming not existing in a vacuum would be harder than shaking off slowed/stopped molecules because of cold (assuming this would even work on him).

Originally posted by zopzop
No, in a vacuum his body "collapsed into his prosthesis" it didn't allow him to maintain anything ,but we saw even that doesn't work on Klaw anymore. IMHO overcoming not existing in a vacuum would be harder than shaking off slowed/stopped molecules because of cold (assuming this would even work on him).

hmmmmmmm.......how durable is his prosthetic? if its only simple metals can it be supercooled then broken

Originally posted by Sin I AM
hmmmmmmm.......how durable is his prosthetic? if its only simple metals can it be supercooled then broken

It's Vibranium.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's Vibranium.

i think your wrong...where did u see this?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i think your wrong...where did u see this?

In his handbook entry and on panel somewhere.

Well I was half right. It's made up of Molybdenum with Vibranium parts.

Originally posted by zopzop
In his handbook entry and on panel somewhere.

IIRC vibranium is his kryptonite...i believe its made of simple metals