Originally posted by JakeTheBankPeak Mordru is head of sorcerer's world gives him control of all magic. He held that position for a while so peak mordru would probably stomp given that status. Also I'd put Shazam > Odin and Mordru at his peak is>> Shazam
Tbf, Classic Odin at the height of his power wouldn't get stomped by Mordru and its arguable he'd lose to begin with.
Why would you put Shazam > Odin? Certainly not anywhere resembling a neutral battlezone, I'd imagine. I'd concede that Shazam might edge out Odin while in the RoE, but the same would hold true of Odin in Classic Asgard versus Shazam.
Afaik, Mordru being head of Sorcerer's World is something that is dependent on him being in or nearby Sorcerer's World, which again, doesn't mean much in a neutral setting.
Originally posted by Uriel005We saw the White Witch absorb Mordru with all all the remaining magic of the universe.
Peak Mordru is head of sorcerer's world gives him control of all magic. He held that position for a while so peak mordru would probably stomp given that status. Also I'd put Shazam > Odin and Mordru at his peak is>> Shazam
Originally posted by JakeTheBankNaw IIRC it's more the title that grants him the power. It's more akin to the title of sorcerer supreme. Also he has beaten Shazam at the RoE. Also I generally consider Lords of Order/Chaos as cosmics when they are written in their highest forms, Similarly to Sorcerer Supreme when acting in defense of universal threats to the universe though Sorcerer Supreme when dealing with the likes of Zom and ilk of similar status >> Lord of Order. However at peak Lord of Chaos I just believe that Mordru is superior. Again not knocking Odin but I personally hold Mordru's abilities against high end Nabu and Shazam as superior to Odin on top of his highly impressive team busting abilities and overall command of magic.
Why would you put Shazam > Odin? Certainly not anywhere resembling a neutral battlezone, I'd imagine. I'd concede that Shazam might edge out Odin while in the RoE, but the same would hold true of Odin in Classic Asgard versus Shazam.Afaik, Mordru being head of Sorcerer's World is something that is dependent on him being in or nearby Sorcerer's World, which again, doesn't mean much in a neutral setting.
Originally posted by Uriel005When di dMordru beat Shazam in the roe ?
Naw IIRC it's more the title that grants him the power. It's more akin to the title of sorcerer supreme. Also he has beaten Shazam at the RoE. Also I generally consider Lords of Order/Chaos as cosmics when they are written in their highest forms, Similarly to Sorcerer Supreme when acting in defense of universal threats to the universe though Sorcerer Supreme when dealing with the likes of Zom and ilk of similar status >> Lord of Order. However at peak Lord of Chaos I just believe that Mordru is superior. Again not knocking Odin but I personally hold Mordru's abilities against high end Nabu and Shazam as superior to Odin on top of his highly impressive team busting abilities and overall command of magic.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Naw IIRC it's more the title that grants him the power. It's more akin to the title of sorcerer supreme. Also he has beaten Shazam at the RoE. Also I generally consider Lords of Order/Chaos as cosmics when they are written in their highest forms, Similarly to Sorcerer Supreme when acting in defense of universal threats to the universe though Sorcerer Supreme when dealing with the likes of Zom and ilk of similar status >> Lord of Order. However at peak Lord of Chaos I just believe that Mordru is superior. Again not knocking Odin but I personally hold Mordru's abilities against high end Nabu and Shazam as superior to Odin on top of his highly impressive team busting abilities and overall command of magic.
But beating Shazam in the RoE, which he really didn't do - at least not in an overt manner - doesn't mean he can beat Odin. Really, Shazam in the RoE displayed that he could hang with the Spectre for a time, which given Odin's feats, I have no reason to believe he couldn't replicate or even fare better than Shazam (I'm not arguing Odin would beat DoV Spectre, though). Shazam has a lot of implied power and status, but feat wise, he's a bit lacking. We know he can summon magical lightning and physically, he's at least as strong as Captain Marvel, but aside from that? Not a whole lot to go on, unfortunately.
Odin, on the other hand, has demonstrated a pretty wide array of powers and abilities and against threats of various kinds. He's decidedly more versatile than Shazam, and being honest, I'd favor him over Shazam in a neutral setting decisively and I think Classic Odin in Asgard packs more power than Shazam in the RoE at least based on feats. Even outside of Asgard, Odin is intense.
Mordru versus Odin is a lot closer, imo, and I'm really not 100% certain Mordru could get a sizeable majority on him being honest. I'm open to being convinced though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankHonestly there isn't much I could say to convince you that hasn't been said already. I'm cool with the idea that some people believe Odin could pull majority. However overall I'm just more partial to Mordru's feats than Odin when you want to call their highest feats into question. Odin at his height is a galaxy buster/universe shaker. Mordru as head of sorcerer's world and all it entails would be a ridiculously unfair advantage but that is him at one of his peak levels. Being able to defeat Infinite man even with Glorith along with Nabu, Shazam, Teams of PC characters who were at their height and in PC he was essentially only beaten due to his claustrophobia
But beating Shazam in the RoE, which he really didn't do - at least not in an overt manner - doesn't mean he can beat Odin. Really, Shazam in the RoE displayed that he could hang with the Spectre for a time, which given Odin's feats, I have no reason to believe he couldn't replicate or even fare better than Shazam (I'm not arguing Odin would beat DoV Spectre, though). Shazam has a lot of implied power and status, but feat wise, he's a bit lacking. We know he can summon magical lightning and physically, he's at least as strong as Captain Marvel, but aside from that? Not a whole lot to go on, unfortunately.Odin, on the other hand, has demonstrated a pretty wide array of powers and abilities and against threats of various kinds. He's decidedly more versatile than Shazam, and being honest, I'd favor him over Shazam in a neutral setting decisively and I think Classic Odin in Asgard packs more power than Shazam in the RoE at least based on feats. Even outside of Asgard, Odin is intense.
Mordru versus Odin is a lot closer, imo, and I'm really not 100% certain Mordru could get a sizeable majority on him being honest. I'm open to being convinced though.