Full Powered Kuurth vs Thanos

Originally posted by iceman24567
Juggs has never been know for his offense so i dont see how he can put down Thanos for a majority 😬

Depowered Kuurth was breaking Colossusnaut's bones. Mjolnir strikes, Godblasts, Hulk's fists, etc. have never been able to break classic Juggs' bones so that's already quite a formidable offensive feat from Kuurth. The fight would certainly take a while, though.

Originally posted by Magnon
Silver Surfer would at least have been BFR'ed, Kuurth wasn't. And Kuurth wasn't screaming in agony imo, he was just reveling in the destruction of infrastructure with his fiery aura. The narration certainly seemed to support this view.

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Comic%20Stuff/Scan10137.jpg

That's one way to look at it...

He also seemingly was screaming in pain when Magneto crushed his helmet.

At the end of the day, the Juggernaut powers Cain actually had were at a level where Luke Cage could cause him damage, and Thor could kick the shit out of him, and let's not even mention King Hyperion. And his Kuurth powers were on the same level as the powers Colossus gained. Both were able to cause immense damage to each other.
You can stack the Juggernaut powers Cain had, or the Juggernaut powers Colossus had and either one doesn't add up to a complete invulnerability to Thanos level attacks. Especially when we see Juggernaut level strength (assuming Colossus wasn't at Thunderbolts Juggs level) able to cause a shitton of damage to the Kuurth powers, and a full powered Cytorrak Avatar.

Thanos destroys.

Originally posted by carver9
Kuurth have the power of Cyttorak and The Serpent on his side here. This is Full Powered Kuurth.

Who wins?

Originally posted by h1a8
Kuurth easily. Thanos has no way of harming Juggs at all. And Thanos will be crushed by that unstoppable hammer instantly.

you're welcome. 🙂

Eat a dick.

Thanos wins

Thanos 7/10

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thanos wins

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
BFR'ed, but would come right back without damage.

That's one way to look at it...

He also seemingly was screaming in pain when Magneto crushed his helmet.

At the end of the day, the Juggernaut powers Cain actually had were at a level where Luke Cage could cause him damage, and Thor could kick the shit out of him, and let's not even mention King Hyperion. And his Kuurth powers were on the same level as the powers Colossus gained. Both were able to cause immense damage to each other.
You can stack the Juggernaut powers Cain had, or the Juggernaut powers Colossus had and either one doesn't add up to a complete invulnerability to Thanos level attacks. Especially when we see Juggernaut level strength (assuming Colossus wasn't at Thunderbolts Juggs level) able to cause a shitton of damage to the Kuurth powers, and a full powered Cytorrak Avatar.

Why were they at that level? Cytorrak was actually pleased with Cain in his destruction. That implies the possibility of full power. So you basically saying that Kuurth was a depowered Juggernaut with Serpent's power? Or that Colossus was a depowered Juggernaut? This is possible if it wasn't for the writer's intention.

Anyway, Kuurth without Cytorrak was vastly stronger than Colossus Juggernaut.
Which is more than enough to damage Thanos. Stacking the Cytorrak enchantment (strong enough to damage Kuurth) then Kuurth has the power to greatly damage Thanos in one blow. Plus the hammer is unstoppable.

If Thanos does manage to damage Kuurth (I can't see it done with blasts) then Kuurth instantly heals (especially after hitting Thanos himself).

So for the people who think classic Juggernaut let alone Kurth can't be put down in offensive power by Thanos, what would it take to convince you?

Conversely, how many times would Juggernaut have to be hurt for you to think he could be put down without tp by Thanos?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So for the people who think classic Juggernaut let alone Kurth can't be put down in offensive power by Thanos, what would it take to convince you?

Conversely, how many times would Juggernaut have to be hurt for you to think he could be put down without tp by Thanos?

Originally posted by h1a8
No amount of times considering his feats, portrayal, and given his HF.

You do realize that this makes absolutely no sense right?

Well, since no one can answer. Rage, spitball me a number.

Juggernaut only has like a dozen good feats maybe that are even remotely relevant on the level of someone like Thanos? He's been hurt or beaten up how many times now? The bad probably outweighs the good right now.

All of these feats are by attacks at or below Thanos level (except Phoenix). The strongest attack Juggernaut has taken and tanked is the Godblast. He got KO'ed by the Phoenix, he seemed to get damaged bad by a casual eyeblast from the Stranger when it split, and Onslaught made him look like a normal human. After that no attack even comes close to Thanos level. But let's look at some of the times he's been injured. I will state when he's weakened, but other than that, full power. And this is ignoring New Warriors where some controversy arises.
With that said, let's see if Thanos has the mustard to hurt or knock Juggernaut out.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-39.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-40.jpg

^
Proof that was Classic
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-33.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenForever5p18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN322_08b.jpg

^
Proof it was physical
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN322_15a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN218_14b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_14b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_15b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_13a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_14b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN102_13b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Men054p20.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force03-20.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-0708.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-09.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/WWH_Xmen_3_0025.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/VenomTheMadness03_17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/VenomTheMadness03_18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/TASM629012.jpg

^
Showing he was physically damaged and likely physically knocked out by this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/TASM627023.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Avengers_v3_024_17a.jpg

He stated in the next page he wasn't hurt by this, but we can clearly see him screaming in pain so...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Deadpool_LS2_02_pg18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/DrStrange-18213.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/DrStrange-18214-15.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-05.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk404_10b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk404_14a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/sm16-17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Spider-Woman038-10.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Spider-Woman038-19.jpg

Teleportation:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force_005-01.jpg

Eighth Day Juggernaut:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p30.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p33.jpg

Here's his shield being overloaded and him being stunned.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN033_13b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN033_14a.jpg

I'll file these next couple under the "maybe/probably hurt" folder, as well as combine it with talking about how hard Juggernaut was hit section:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenForever6p02and03.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_17a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_11a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN183_15b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force03-19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Deadpool_LS2_02_pg22.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk403_17a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_11b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_12a.jpg

^
He laid there for 5 pages
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_16a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thor_vol2-519-017-21.jpg

And here's two things that indicate a limit to his stamina.
"Last ounce of strength"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p36.jpg

"I can feel him weakening" (also can be filed under probably hurt considering he was weakening under it and was hurt previously by a lesser shot)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-07.jpg

Phoenix:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/phoenixresurrectionrevelations-1_06-07.jpg

He was weaker there admittedly (which will flow into the next thing), but not by much. His durability at the time:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/AllNewExilesv1001p18.jpg

And about how powerful the enchantment was at the time he became Kuurth. Well, let's hear the level it was on:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14510.jpg

And his durability that would have simply stacked with Kuurth's.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14623.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14624.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14823.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14905.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15023.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15024.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15029.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15031.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15032.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15219.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15311.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15315.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15316.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15318.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15319.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts156014.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts157005.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts157006.jpg

Here's Kuurth and a stronger dose of Juggernaut than Thunderbolts Juggy got (coupled with Colossus) hurting each other immensely. Which we assume his durability will stack with the above T-Bolts Juggy.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0010.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0014.jpg

Kuurth was likely to die in the explosion:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0015.jpg

Amped Wolverine:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/FearItself7026.jpg

Now here's FP Kuurth getting hurt by Magneto crushing his helmet and seemingly getting hurt by having his blood boiled.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UXM_542_015.jpg

Thanos wins. "lowball" but needed. At the very least it shows Thanos can damage Juggernaut, unlike the zero high feats that say he can't.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Now here's FP Kuurth getting hurt by Magneto crushing his helmet and seemingly getting hurt by having his blood boiled.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UXM_542_015.jpg

Everything you said was on point except these two.

I don't know why you think either of those two scenes are evidence of Juggernaut being hurt.

He starts screaming out as his helmet gets crushed. Not to mention the response immediately with the "unstoppable hammer". And he looks to be in pain with the blood ignition (though ultimately ineffective) as well as screaming. Or having an orgasm as the Fraction trace work would show.

Seems like the paintrain was there.

😐 That's some pretty terrible reasoning.

Yes, he yells out some words in Asgardian:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

But talking doesn't mean he's in pain, heck, it doesn't even mean he even feels anything. If he was saying "Arghh" or something I understand but unless those runes translate into "Ouch, that hurts", it doesn't mean anything.

Then you remember he was completely unharmed by Hope ripping his helmet off and I just can't even take this seriously tbh:

The second part is just weak......

He was in pain because he was standing there roaring or whatever?

1) That was Greg Land. We've seen a lot more awkward, and orgasmic poses by characters who are literally just having a conversation.

2) He's a powered up and possessed Juggernaut. It looked like he was wrecking shit. It's not rocket science.

Anyways, I don't care enough about this to continue past here because this is pretty dumb.