Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I think this was Hitler's and Stalin's rationale when they engaged in mass murder. The less people there, the less suffering in the world. So to cut back on suffering, we have to cut back on people. Which means murder.Really, they were altruists who were just trying to end human suffering. By inflicting human suffering. Seems logical to me.
They were not trying to minimize suffering, they were trying to improve the human race. The two are completely different.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Why do you think they wouldnt? The government knew what those people were doing in the first place and let it happen.
Please provide proof for your outrageous claim.
I think the government sometimes goes ahead with things without knowing all the possible outcomes. I believe that if they knew that people would die, they would have not gone through with it. The political backlash would be too much of a risk.
The fact you assume the government always does evil things is why I say you are a conspiracy theorist.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think the government sometimes goes ahead with things without knowing all the possible outcomes. I believe that if they knew that people would die, they would have not gone through with it. The political backlash would be too much of a risk.
I agree with this, for the most part. However, I do think there was knowledge that some COULD die. With any health-destroying experiment, death is a strong possibility. The chances that at least one person will die directly due to your experiment is very high. You approach the probability of 1 (1 = 100%)* when you undertake health destroying experiments. The "scientists" who undertook the research most certainly had a better grasp on probabilities and statistics than I do. There's no way that they did not "know" that someone would die.
*Your sample pool just has to be large enough to realize that probability.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Why?
Let me ask you something, do you actually think that anyone with any kind of power in the modern US government was a part of this study or knew all the details about it at the time?
40 years later?
And if so, does the fact that maybe one guy from the experiment is in the government now make the whole government "evil"?
People underestimate the power of indifference and try to call all abuses of power or cases of neglect "evil" when its really just normal people doing their jobs poorly.
Edit: @ Shaka, from what I've researched about the head of the study he was more than aware of the risks to the patients and just didn't care because he apparently considered the black test subjects in the same light you'd consider a lab rat.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think the government sometimes goes ahead with things without knowing all the possible outcomes. I believe that if they knew that people would die, they would have not gone through with it. The political backlash would be too much of a risk.
They injected people with a lethal disease then denied the subjects treatment for it even as they sickened and died. The idea that "maybe they didn't know" is absurd.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonThey actually know very well that people infact were going to die.
Please provide proof for your outrageous claim.I think the government sometimes goes ahead with things without knowing all the possible outcomes. I believe that if they knew that people would die, they would have not gone through with it. The political backlash would be too much of a risk.
The fact you assume the government always does evil things is why I say you are a conspiracy theorist.
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonand this is why i say people overrate the government, they did not care about a political backlash, they simply didnt care.
The political backlash would be too much of a risk.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They injected people with a lethal disease then denied the subjects treatment for it even as they sickened and died. The idea that "maybe they didn't know" is absurd.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
They actually know very well that people infact were going to die.and this is why i say people overate the government, they did not care about a political backlash, they simply didnt care.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They injected people with a lethal disease then denied the subjects treatment for it even as they sickened and died. The idea that "maybe they didn't know" is absurd.
Wow! Thanks for setting me straight.
I still don't think that means everyone in the government is evil.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI never actually said they planned and carried it out though , I think they may have been aware of what was going to happen and just let it happen/or somewhat contributed it.?
Some people go out of their way to demonize the government while others go out of their way to excuse it.Overrate the government? Aren't you the guy who thinks they planned and carried out 9/11 without any repercussions? I would call that the epitome of overrating the government.
The fact stands though that the government is overrated.
Re: The Tuskegee Experiment
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Im sure people know what the tuskegee Experiment was an expriment that the us conducted on its own people via syphilis etc1. Do you think there were more of these kinds of experiments going on?
2. What would you do if something like this emerged but recently happened?
3. Are the government monsters?
I believe some time back people thought they were getting flu vacines but they really weren't. We're not the only government that experiments on it's own people, sadly. Maybe there are even more things going on in prisions and they have no advocate. Throw away people society says. 🙁