First Blood Rambo vs Jason
John Rambo drifts to Crystal Lake and heard from people that there was a maniac killer loose. Rigt now, John has no weapons exept his signature Survival knife. With his vast special force experience he goes in for the hunt. How would you see this play? John will not know what Jason is rather than a crazy killer hacking innocents.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Jason falls for one of said traps. Rambo walks up to Jason to survey his masterpiece thinking Jason is dead. Jason punches his head off.
Rambo isn't a retard and it's not like Jason is just going to sit there in a trap or play dead. Jason gets caught in a spike trap, shrugs is off and Rambo figures out he's no ordinary guy. He'll hear from the locals the legend of Jason and probably drown him again like in Part VI. If that dumbass Tommy could do it Rambo will do it too and he'll probably figure out a way to add an explosion too somehow. There's a reason Rambo has a bigger body count than Jason.
OP says Rambo will NOT know what Jason is. And Jason playing possum is nothing special.
If the OP stated John could fact search. Then maybe I'll agree with you but anybody who fought Jason eventually died. It wasn't until Jason goes to hell that the authorities finally sent in the army to deal with him. And that's a good 11 years after First Blood. I don't like John's chances.
Plus you also have the Jason Goes To Hell feats. Which means Rambo doesn't stand a single chance.
How will Rambo finish Jason? And you do know if Jason is put down too violently he can hypnotise John to eat his flesh and become possessed.
Jason can't lose this fight. Then there's the basic fact that Jason knows every corner of Crystal Lake. Whilst Rambo is making said traps Jason is already standing behind him.
Originally posted by the ninjak
How will Rambo finish Jason? And you do know if Jason is put down too violently he can hypnotise John to eat his flesh and become possessed.Jason can't lose this fight. Then there's the basic fact that Jason knows every corner of Crystal Lake. Whilst Rambo is making said traps Jason is already standing behind him.
Jason has been beaten by simply tying a chain around his neck and drowning him. I imagine a decapitation will work pretty well too as that robot chick temporarily beat him in Jason X when she blew his head off. Freddy nearly beat him with repeated slashes and stabs. Jason is really tough but not invincible. Even if Rambo can't kill him he can probably make a trap that will hold him, like a deep hole with spikes or something. It doesn't need to be complex because Jason's a retard.
It won't take long for Rambo to learn Crystal Lake's terrain as well as Jason. Rambo uses his wilderness expertise to hunt and kill soldiers, Jason kills drunk teens. I think it's pretty obvious who's the better hunter. Jason doesn't really use much tactics, he mostly just hides in a dark spot waiting for a retarded teen to show up and cut them up. Rambo is a master of camouflage, traps, weapons and is much faster and smarter than Jason.
Originally posted by Psychotron
That only happened when they blew him up and exposed his heart. He didn't possess anyone in Jason X when the robot blew off his leg, arm and head. I have no doubt he would have come back to life somehow at some point but it counts as a win.
So you're giving Rambo complete prep, hitting toolsheds? Jason just turns up at the perfect time and gets caught in the huge pit full of spikes? (which won't kill Jason), a spiked rope trap impaling Jason against a tree like the one used on a cop in First blood?(Jason would just rip it out and push it off), or a rope pulley lifting him into the air by his feet? (he'll cut the rope). Rambo has time in Jason's turf to make such traps and Jason wouldn't be already on his way?
Jason X feats don't make JGtH feats unusable in this. He performed the feat multiple times. Just in different ways. I agree though If Rambo could obliterate Jason and run off. Yeah he wins. But he only has a knife and as you say all the tools he can find in nearby tool sheds. But in combat I don't believe it would be so easy for John to decapitate Jason. If Rambo had access to military weapons then I'll give this to him hands down.
Originally posted by the ninjak
So you're giving Rambo complete prep, hitting toolsheds? Jason just turns up at the perfect time and gets caught in the huge pit full of spikes? (which won't kill Jason), a spiked rope trap impaling Jason against a tree like the one used on a cop in First blood?(Jason would just rip it out and push it off), or a rope pulley lifting him into the air by his feet? (he'll cut the rope). Rambo has time in Jason's turf to make such traps and Jason wouldn't be already on his way?Jason X feats don't make JGtH feats unusable in this. He performed the feat multiple times. Just in different ways. I agree though If Rambo could obliterate Jason and run off. Yeah he wins. But he only has a knife and as you say all the tools he can find in nearby tool sheds. But in combat I don't believe it would be so easy for John to decapitate Jason. If Rambo had access to military weapons then I'll give this to him hands down.
I'm not giving Rambo prep but it's not like Jason will find him the moment he sets foot in the forest. Especially if Rambo does not want to be found. People in the movies usually have time to come to Crystal Lake, unpack, tell some Jason legends, dick around during the day, party and then finally Jason shows up. Unlike them, Rambo will begin preparing the moment he gets there. He (Jason) is stupid and will be easy to trap. I'm not saying it will be the spike trap or giant hole, I'm just giving examples. Plus, the lake is right there, if Tommy could drown him, Rambo can too.
I'm not saying possession is impossible but it's unlikely as Jason only did it when his body exploded. I doubt Rambo will blow him up. A decapitation will stop Jason long enough to count as a win, and Rambo can cut him. Jason's tough but not invulnerable, Freddy had no trouble cutting him. In fact, if Freddy can give Jason such a good fight in FvJ armed with nothing but his glove and utilizing his surroundings, I see no reason why Rambo can't do better.
Dude. You're stating Rambo can set traps and search cabins for weapons. That's prep. Crystal Lake became abandoned during many of the films. Including Jason Goes To Hell. The second the military sent in a woman to lure Jason into a kill, Jason moved ahead for the kill. The military set upon him and blew him to smithereens. I'm using the traps that Rambo used in First Blood as examples if not some he is capable of.
The situation of Jason killing anyone who entered Crystal Lake usually ended in quick stealthy deaths or the heroes would trap him in a PIS situation or they had knowledge of Jason or they had powers to take the fight back to him.
In regards to the Freddy VS Jason fight. Cmon Freddy was an overconfident demon who could teleport, slash and take any damage Jason could put on him. Including decapitation. Rambo is a man. One punch or slash and he is hurt. Jason just keeps going.
In regards to survivors defeating Jason due to drowning him in a lake.
That was based on inside knowledge that John doesn't have access to.
Sure he could set a trap that could hit Jason into the water and put a chain around his neck causing Jason to freak out and go into hibernation for a while. But John doesn't know that, he will try to trap him in the woods. Which won't work like it did on the cops in First Blood.
Once he realises that Jason can survive his traps he will retreat to evaluate the situation. And adapt. By then Jason is already on his tail no matter where he goes.
And as we all know once that happens he's screwed. No more traps. Just hiding and dying. Jason is notorious for screwing with hiding survivors only to be standing around the corner. Ready for a kill. He's got a demon in him as proven in Jason Goes To Hell. Jason X is probably the worst example due to it being a future What If movie. The rest are canon.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Dude. You're stating Rambo can set traps and search cabins for weapons. That's prep. Crystal Lake became abandoned during many of the films. Including Jason Goes To Hell. The second the military sent in a woman to lure Jason into a kill, Jason moved ahead for the kill. The military set upon him and blew him to smithereens. I'm using the traps that Rambo used in First Blood as examples if not some he is capable of.The situation of Jason killing anyone who entered Crystal Lake usually ended in quick stealthy deaths or the heroes would trap him in a PIS situation or they had knowledge of Jason or they had powers to take the fight back to him.
In regards to the Freddy VS Jason fight. Cmon Freddy was an overconfident demon who could teleport, slash and take any damage Jason could put on him. Including decapitation. Rambo is a man. One punch or slash and he is hurt. Jason just keeps going.
In regards to survivors defeating Jason due to drowning him in a lake.
That was based on inside knowledge that John doesn't have access to.
Sure he could set a trap that could hit Jason into the water and put a chain around his neck causing Jason to freak out and go into hibernation for a while. But John doesn't know that, he will try to trap him in the woods. Which won't work like it did on the cops in First Blood.Once he realises that Jason can survive his traps he will retreat to evaluate the situation. And adapt. By then Jason is already on his tail no matter where he goes.
And as we all know once that happens he's screwed. No more traps. Just hiding and dying. Jason is notorious for screwing with hiding survivors only to be standing around the corner. Ready for a kill. He's got a demon in him as proven in Jason Goes To Hell. Jason X is probably the worst example due to it being a future What If movie. The rest are canon.
It's not prep. This is a hunt not a straight up fight, they won't find each other right away. I'm not giving Rambo time to come up with plan before he enters Crystal Lake. But as soon as he does he'll start scouting the area, setting up traps and coming up with a plan. It won't take long, like when he set up the traps for the cops in First Blood. That's what he does in every movie before he starts mowing down people with a machine gun. Once he sees standard traps don't work against Jason he'll retreat until he comes up with better plan, and because Rambo is much faster and smarter as well as more experienced than Jason he won't be found. You can't compare Rambo with some half-drunk teen retards, of course Jason can find them, but John is another beast entirely. Also, the last time we see Crystal Lake (FvJ) it's not abandoned, there was some construction work going on so Rambo will have plenty of tools on hand.
Freddy was not superhuman in the real world, that was the point of bringing him out of the dream. Everything he did in his final fight with Jason, Rambo can do better. Now that I think about it, the steel rods Freddy impaled Jason with makes me think he's not that durable, Rambo could probably immobilize Jason and chop off his head.
Rambo may not know about the history between Jason and the lake but it doesn't mean he won't try to drown him if his normal attacks and traps don't work. It would be logical to try a different way of killing and since the lake is right there, he'd take advantage of it.
Jason X is not a What if movie. Where did you get that idea?
-I'm not comparing those cops from First Blood with teenagers from any Jason flick. But once that first trap as you say fails. Jason is on the hunt. Rambo can run all he wants a survey the situation. He's screwed! In FVsJ Jason was sent to Springfield. If construction work is going on there it makes no difference.
-NO! Don't say everything Freddy could did in FvsJ Rambo could do. That's nuts. Freddy could teleport after a slash and appear on top some metal rods. slash em them send them at Jason. Rambo once in front of Jason cannot reach the top on time before Jason can move to a better place.
-This is the most nuts comment I've received in regards to a Jason fight.
John Rambo will NOT attempt to drown Jason with something like an anchored chain during a fight without knowledge on Jason! NO. NO. NO! It won't happen.
-It's based long after any other Jason movie. I have no problem with a cyborg beating the crap out of a Jason. No problem at all. But your use of Jason X as a reason to downplay Jason Goes To Hell feats is mute. They are feats. I didn't make the movie but they happened.
No, I didn't say you're comparing the cops to teens. Worse, you are (indirectly) comparing Rambo to them. It doesn't matter when Jason goes on the hunt when all Rambo has to do is not panic, scream and run aimlessly to escape him. In fact, he could probably walk at slightly brisk pace and still be faster than Jason (unless it's Jason from Parts 2-4, then he might have to run ). Add in Rambo's intelligence, strategic mind, military knowledge and superior experience and Jason won't be able to find him unless Rambo let's him. I don't see how going to Springwood (not Springfield btw) is impressive. Going by FvJ it's no more than a 15 minute car ride from Crystal Lake. Anyone can make it.
Freddy did not teleport, all he did was knock Jason on his ass with his "torpedoes" and got up there in the eternity it took Jason to get up. If Freddy could teleport he wouldn't have been caught in that explosion at end.
Why not? Tommy did it. Drowning is a great way to beat someone like Jason, and Rambo will figure it out if his other ideas don't work.
It's starts in 2010 and then goes into the future. So yeah, it's canon. I'm not downplaying anything. Jason goes to Hell had him blown up with barely anything but his demonic heart remaining, while Jason X had him relatively intact. All it proves is Rambo can safely cut off his head without fear of possession. If he somehow blows up Jason then yeah, Rambo would probably get possessed.
-How many people ran from Jason. Thinking they were safe but in the end Jason was just toying with them and cut them up? Lots. If Rambo runs he better run good. Because Jason is on his tail.
-Freddy toyed with Jason in a fashion no normal human could. And Rambo ain't shooting torpedoes. Freddy existed within a sub-realistic battle form in the physical world. He still could do crazy things but not along the lines of a that a Dream Master could obviously normally do.
-NO. NO. NO!. John Rambo will not repeat without knowledge the chain/drowning feat Tommy did to Jason. Jason in a fight with Rambo will not go down via strangulation by chain in Crystal Lake. To assume it a possibility is wishful thinking at its best.
-Rambo can't repeat what the Cyborg did to Jason in limited confines. Which was metal tunnels on a ship. That robot would kill Rambo in a heartbeat. It's not relevant here.