Classic Mangog vs Thanos

Originally posted by Horrificus
sorry man, but yer wrong. The Mangog stories were written to create a threat that was beyond even Odin. That's how he was written, that is what was shoved down our throats on every other page.

Your constant claims that Mangog was NOT above Odin and that all the statements and narrations are in ERROR, or, that there is a hidden meaning to the stories, (Odin is able to beat Mangog), would negate all of those Silver Age comics.

There is so much implied and hinted at, I think the writers got lazy. I mean, the entire history between Odin and Mangog takes place off-panel.

Mangog's creation and whatever happened that made Odin sh*t his pants, took place off-panel. Which is y they went to such great lengths to drive home the facy that Mangog is top of the pyramid. It has been done with lots of characters in lots if stories.

Odin could not defeat Mangog in battle. Odin talks about this again and again. He even tried to run away with all of asgard. With Thanos, he wasn't worried about damage to asgard, losing or anything else. He just went to work, spanking Thanos like a big grey dork. I mean, Odin didnt show the slightest fear or concern, he just felt disrespected that Thanos acted tough in Odin's face.

The stories stick. The fluff sticks. Mangog was created to b the top of Marvel's physical threats. They didnt feel like showing all of that history, so they just told us what happened, what the outcome was, why anf how.

Do I think Thanos could destroy or bfr or negate Mangog somehow, with prep, of course.

But, just throwing them in the ring, Mangog wins. Because Mangog's thing is to b the top brawler in marvel universe. The same way Thanos is the guy that can gain control of, or destroy the universe whenever he wants to.

Mangog is basically the marvel "Skyfather" of Evil Bricks.

Thor with the power gem who gets stronger by the minute (as shown and stated on panel) could only make a Thanos nose bleed. Magus powered by 5 infinity gems didn't even ko Thanos with a punch. Thanos beat ego the living planet in physical form. So this "top brick" nonsense means nothing. You should read up on Thanos if you think he needs prep to bfr.

It's also funny how you try to use Odin feared mangog as proof...yet dismiss Mangog clearly fearing Thanos. And before you make up a excuse , they are the same Mangog.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
so just a load of nonsense and hyperbole really.

Thor with the power gem who gets stronger by the minute (as shown and stated on panel) could only make a Thanos nose bleed. Magus powered by 5 infinity gems didn't even ko Thanos with a punch. Thanos beat ego the living planet in physical form. So this "top brick" nonsense means nothing. You should read up on Thanos if you think he needs prep to bfr.

It's also funny how you try to use Odin feared mangog as proof...yet dismiss Mangog clearly fearing Thanos. And before you make up a excuse , they are the same Mangog.

You simply can't ignore writer's intentions. That's a form of trolling.

Thor wasn't operating above 2x more power when he fought Thanos. This is a fact. He was gaining power at an incredible slow rate. Even Thanos was able stun him.

Do you know how much force Magus used? This is comics. I seen skyfather level beings ko metas (not kill them) when there was intent to kill. Batman survive attacks from Superman, etc. Magus was trying to get Thanos to answer him as well.

But none of this proves Thanos has the power output to even harm Mangog. Do you think Thanos could harm Odin? Remember their fight?

Originally posted by h1a8
They are not the same per OP stips. He says we only can reference SA Mangog.

You simply can't ignore writer's intentions. That's a form of trolling.

Thor wasn't operating above 2x more power when he fought Thanos. This is a fact. He was gaining power at an incredible slow rate. Even Thanos was able stun him.

Do you know how much force Magus used? This is comics. I seen skyfather level beings ko metas (not kill them) when there was intent to kill. Batman survive attacks from Superman, etc. Magus was trying to get Thanos to answer him as well.

But none of this proves Thanos has the power output to even harm Mangog. Do you think Thanos could harm Odin? Remember their fight?

Let's see these "facts" that Thor was only operating at 2x more powerful. As you like to use writers intention...the intention was Thor was getting more powerful by the minute and he had the gem along time before he fought Thanos.

He used enough force to floor Thanos and any force from the 5 gens is greater than what Mangog can produce. The examples you are giving are shit, superman holds back...magus does not.

You mean the fight we're Thanos was less powerful than he was after he fought Tyrant. The facts prove it , before he couldn't even budge Odin yet later on down the line he can launch a well fed Galactus 100s of feet.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
still the same character no retcon has taken place. Stfu with your double standard crap you ignore writers intention at every turn, the whole forum mocks you for it.

Let's see these "facts" that Thor was only operating at 2x more powerful. As you like to use writers intention...the intention was Thor was getting more powerful by the minute and he had the gem along time before he fought Thanos.

He used enough force to floor Thanos and any force from the 5 gens is greater than what Mangog can produce. The examples you are giving are shit, superman holds back...magus does not.

You mean the fight we're Thanos was less powerful than he was after he fought Tyrant. The facts prove it , before he couldn't even budge Odin yet later on down the line he can launch a well fed Galactus 100s of feet.

I champion writer's intentions.
See Thor right before the pg against the heroes. Then see him after the PG. He was still operating very similar. Maybe a little more powerful but almost the same. Thor only gained power when he struggled, not when he wasn't.

False, Thanos killed CA but didn't splatter his body. So how can any force be greater than Mangog?

That was a cheap shot. Galactus didn't brace at all. And Odin has better durability showings than Galactus anyway. Galactus has let heralds damage him.

Originally posted by h1a8
I champion writer's intentions.
See Thor right before the pg against the heroes. Then see him after the PG. He was still operating very similar. Maybe a little more powerful but almost the same. Thor only gained power when he struggled, not when he wasn't.

False, Thanos killed CA but didn't splatter his body. So how can any force be greater than Mangog?

That was a cheap shot. Galactus didn't brace at all. And Odin has better durability showings than Galactus anyway. Galactus has let heralds damage him.

😂 Thor dealt with the heroes far easier when he had the gem. He fought Thanos later than he fought the heroes too. Stop lying.

Thanos had a full IG, Magus didn't. Plus Thanos only back handed CA.

Odin didn't brace either from Thanos. 😂 the rest of your post is just troll rubbish.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you're full of shit , you blatantly ignore writers intention and characters own words. Take Thanos and the black hole encounter.

😂 Thor dealt with the heroes far easier when he had the gem. He fought Thanos later than he fought the heroes too. Stop lying.

Thanos had a full IG, Magus didn't. Plus Thanos only back handed CA.

Odin didn't brace either from Thanos. 😂 the rest of your post is just troll rubbish.

I didn't. Most people don't understand black holes, including writer's.
They don't know a black hole is a collapsed star in the size of an atom (the singularity). The gravity is so strong that if light approached a certain distance from the singularity then it would not escape. The distance light can approach and not escape is called the event horizon. It looks like a large black sphere. It's nothing more than a region of space where light can't escape (that's the reason why its black).

Inside this sphere one will experience tidal forces ripping them apart. So it is a good feat surviving in a event horizon. But make no mistake, it's not nearly the same thing as surviving the singularity which is deep within the center.

Thanos had full IG which worsens your argument. You claimed that ANY FORCE from the IG is greater than Mangog. I proved otherwise. I showed that Thanos backhand was less than the power of Mangog.

Thor dealt with them a little easier. It still took him the same amount of hits to put several of them down (exactly like before).

Odin was in a fight. He had defenses up as you can see from the energy. Anyway this is moot since Odin durability showings are better than Galactus. Galactus has been damaged by heralds and even smited by Hercules.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't. Most people don't understand black holes, including writer's.
They don't know a black hole is a collapsed star in the size of an atom (the singularity). The gravity is so strong that if light approached a certain distance from the singularity then it would not escape. The distance light can approach and not escape is called the event horizon. It looks like a large black sphere. It's nothing more than a region of space where light can't escape (that's the reason why its black).

Inside this sphere one will experience tidal forces ripping them apart. So it is a good feat surviving in a event horizon. But make no mistake, it's not nearly the same thing as surviving the singularity which is deep within the center.

Thanos had full IG which worsens your argument. You claimed that ANY FORCE from the IG is greater than Mangog. I proved otherwise. I showed that Thanos backhand was less than the power of Mangog.

Thor dealt with them a little easier. It still took him the same amount of hits to put several of them down (exactly like before).

Odin was in a fight. He had defenses up as you can see from the energy. Anyway this is moot since Odin durability showings are better than Galactus. Galactus has been damaged by heralds and even smited by Hercules.

Thanos depowered himself when he hit CA. Plus Thanos is far more durable thanCA.

Odin had no defence up against Thanos blast , he just stood there and took it stop lying again.

So your just trying to use low showing? Odin has been imprisoned by Space Ants.

Odin nearly koed himself head butting Galactus whilst all it did to Galactus was knock him over. Odin was came off far worse that's why he called for the destroyer

Mangog stomps, and its laughable to suggest otherwise.

Like a self hating bias lunatic matters , period.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
comic book black holes aren't based on real science you complete idiot. The book made it clear nothing escaped the black hole closing in both words and visuals. So again your ignoring the writers intention troll.

Thanos depowered himself when he hit CA. Plus Thanos is far more durable thanCA.

Odin had no defence up against Thanos blast , he just stood there and took it stop lying again.

So your just trying to use low showing? Odin has been imprisoned by Space Ants.

Odin nearly koed himself head butting Galactus whilst all it did to Galactus was knock him over. Odin was came off far worse that's why he called for the destroyer

If comic book black holes are different than real black holes then they are not impressive feats then. They can destroy ships, but high heralds are more durable than ships anyway.

Thanos didn't depower himself with physical strength, he cut off all extra sensory perception.

What does his durability has to do with CA durability? Mangog would splatter CA with a punch.

That's called damage soak, not durability. Odin wasn't damaged, Galactus was.
Also that's one showing.

Odin was barely knocked over from the same attack Thor did to Galactus (but Thor's attack on Odin had significantly more force). I'm referring to the Mjolnir ramming feat.

Odin didn't budge when Thanos blasted him.
Now you can say that Odin was ready for a fight and Galactus wasn't.
I'm pretty sure Thanos couldn't have blasted Galactus like that again when Galactus recovered and came after Thanos. Otherwise Thanos could have bought more time by doing the same thing.

Originally posted by h1a8
If comic book black holes are different than real black holes then they are not impressive feats then. They can destroy ships, but high heralds are more durable than ships anyway.

Thanos didn't depower himself with physical strength, he cut off all extra sensory perception.

What does his durability has to do with CA durability? Mangog would splatter CA with a punch.

That's called damage soak, not durability. Odin wasn't damaged, Galactus was.
Also that's one showing.

Odin was barely knocked over from the same attack Thor did to Galactus (but Thor's attack on Odin had significantly more force). I'm referring to the Mjolnir ramming feat.

Odin didn't budge when Thanos blasted him.
Now you can say that Odin was ready for a fight and Galactus wasn't.
I'm pretty sure Thanos couldn't have blasted Galactus like that again when Galactus recovered and came after Thanos. Otherwise Thanos could have bought more time by doing the same thing.

He did both, as he stated after the fight he had to will himself back to full power.

Cap had taken punches from Hulk and hits from the destroyer, Mangog isn't splattering him so stop making stuff up again.

Galactus wasn't damaged, Thanos even says his blast did no harm to Galactus ..so another lie.

Thanos couldn't have blasted Galactus again as punisher robots were attacking Thanos when Galactus came back for him.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Like a self hating bias lunatic matters , period.

I agree, you should stop pretending as well.

Originally posted by panthergod
I agree, you should stop pretending as well.

Just to maybe put this detail to rest, technically, the original description of Mangog reflects his very first Silver Age appearance.
That description is based upon the fact that there was a race of Godlike beings, ("a billion billion"😉 of them. They were so powereful, they had conquered thousands of galaxies. From Odin's experience with them, (maybe someday a writer will pen the story), he felt that he and whatever resources he could pool, whatever power he had, would b useless against Mangog's race. This led to Odin's only option to end the threat, combining them into Mangog. Obviously, this only helped in one way, making it possible for Odin to temporarily trap ONE entity.

THAT entity is the original Mangog.

In fact, after Odin dispersed Mangog's race once more, that entire portion of his profile, the most important part and probably the most powerful part of his profile, ceased to exist.

So, is THAT Mangog the same one that made future appearances, absolutely not. And, of course this would have a huge effect on Mangog's power-level. The "spirit" of Mangog may have lived on and manifested in different ways after that, but he was never again the gestalt of a race of a billion billion god-beings that had conquered thousands of galaxies and gave Odin bad dreams.

The fact that, even withought his race imprisoned within him, Mangog was still able to accomplish the feats in later story arcs, is a testament to how much more he was during his first appearance.

But, the fact is, if u change or remove whatever a character is composed of, it is not the same character. If Superman is suddenly fueled by magic and Hulk is powered by the sun, they r not the same as thier original portrayals.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you don't get to say what's impressive or not, you're a nobody.

He did both, as he stated after the fight he had to will himself back to full power.

Cap had taken punches from Hulk and hits from the destroyer, Mangog isn't splattering him so stop making stuff up again.

Galactus wasn't damaged, Thanos even says his blast did no harm to Galactus ..so another lie.

Thanos couldn't have blasted Galactus again as punisher robots were attacking Thanos when Galactus came back for him.

I guess you didn't read the story. Thanos said he would cut himself off from sensory perception. He wouldn't know their next move. He never said anything about decreasing his physical power. Hell he effortlessly broke Caps shield. That means he was still amped from the IG.

Cap isn't bulletproof. He is made of flesh and bone. A bullet will always penetrate him. A knife will always cut him. Anything beyond that is PIS.

Mangog can shatter a mountain with a single blow. This is beyond millions of tons of force. You think Cap can not be splattered by this type of force?
You think a 50 ton tank will not flatten Cap if it ran over him?

Originally posted by h1a8
I guess you didn't read the story. Thanos said he would cut himself off from sensory perception. He wouldn't know their next move. He never said anything about decreasing his physical power. Hell he effortlessly broke Caps shield. That means he was still amped from the IG.

Cap isn't bulletproof. He is made of flesh and bone. A bullet will always penetrate him. A knife will always cut him. Anything beyond that is PIS.

Mangog can shatter a mountain with a single blow. This is beyond millions of tons of force. You think Cap can not be splattered by this type of force?
You think a 50 ton tank will not flatten Cap if it ran over him?

That's your opinion which means nothing to me, plus his showings iver the years prove you wrong.

Comics don't work that way, you need to try and learn this quick. Cap can and has tanked hits from class 100's and above regularly.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
clearly you didn't read it to, as he also said what I stated.

That's your opinion which means nothing to me, plus his showings iver the years prove you wrong.

Comics don't work that way, you need to try and learn this quick. Cap can and has tanked hits from class 100's and above regularly.

Yet Cap can be penetrated by bullets.
Contradictions can't exist. This is a law. We also have the PIS rule. That means that all showings can not be used here.

So either the class 100 didn't hit Cap beyond bullet pressures or it was simply PIS (unusable) since it's law that Caps flesh is easily penetrable by bullets and knives.

Originally posted by h1a8
Everyone (except Quan) will disagree with you on the Thanos issue of him being depowered. It's almost trolling to say he didn't have access to full physical power when it clearly goes against writer's intentions when he explained not knowing the heroes next move and having feats beyond what a normal Thanos can do.

Yet Cap can be penetrated by bullets.
Contradictions can't exist. This is a law. We also have the PIS rule. That means that all showings can not be used here.

So either the class 100 didn't hit Cap beyond bullet pressures or it was simply PIS (unusable) since it's law that Caps flesh is easily penetrable by bullets and knives.

Yet you try to use pis when it suits you. All showings are used to identify a average.

Again the last part of your post is just garbage you try pass of as fact using real world logic that doesn't apply here.