people need to stop with the hyperbole, cain has gotten hurt and he has felt pain before.
vision phased his hand and hurt cain. shatter star poked his eye out with magical swords. (magical weapons hurt juggernauts both kuurths hammer w/ peter shatter stars blades cain, he even got scratched by feral) Thunder strike with his mystical axe took out cain's helmet. He has been turned into a skeleton. nimrod, hulk, war hulk, beast, angel, syrin, colossus have popped his helmet off. Cain's durability is all over the place..so its hard to define what classic juggernaut is actually. Cain himself rarely uses the forcefield.
Colossus hasn't displayed the forcefield and cain's magic feats. Evrything else is pure speculation. both however are almost imposible to ko and both have healing factor. so being hurt and beating an avatar of cyttorak w/o bfr are totally differnt scenarios. just cause peter can get hurt does not mean he can be beaten without bfr. he was mauling kuurth at 600mph even with broken bones etc...when peter does get ko'd then we will find out what kind of force is needed to beat him w/o bfr. so far kuurth hammer blows and lightning were not enough. ( both mystical in nature)
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Without bfr bill cannot win, colossus got hole blasted through his chest by a celestial and instantly healed, he also recently got another hole blasted through his chest and he healed instantly again.
Bll's hammer is made from magic, so I think it can ruins the day of the current Juggernaut